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Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« on: October 29, 2013, 02:29:20 AM »
I understand that atheists are not in a religion.

But a friend of mine, scratch that, an annoying leech of an accomplice (No, not Alexis, some guy at my school) states that we are, for this reason, and a i quote:
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Atheists believe that there is no god, so they are in a religion.

Anyone care to discuss how stupid this is...?
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 02:33:47 AM »
Where in Australlia do you live Angus? Just curious. I'm in Brisbane.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 02:38:41 AM »
As well as whatever responses you get here, you could read through this thread:

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24926.0.html
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 02:55:42 AM »
It's a conceptual problem with some theists. I suspect it's more typical of those whose god-belief is central to their lives. Since they have a strong belief, it's difficult for them to wrap their heads around the idea that 1) some people don't believe in their god and 2) that lack of belief is the absence of belief rather than "believing in nothing".

Talking to those like your acquaintance at school is an extremely frustrating experience, I agree. There was one who went by "Hguols" a few years back who couldn't grasp the concept; kept insisting our atheism was a "belief". I tend to steer clear of them; if they're that closed-minded, the discussion really won't go anywhere conducive to low blood pressure.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 03:11:00 AM »
I understand that atheists are not in a religion.

But a friend of mine, scratch that, an annoying leech of an accomplice (No, not Alexis, some guy at my school) states that we are, for this reason, and a i quote:
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Atheists believe that there is no god, so they are in a religion.

Anyone care to discuss how stupid this is...?

I believe I'm going to urinate in about 10 minutes; does that mean my religion is urinating?

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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 03:55:49 AM »
So may people here in the UK are stating Jedi on census forms that it now has its own code for processing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9737886/Jedi-religion-most-popular-alternative-faith.html

But no, atheism is still a lack of belief (a god or yoda) so therfore not a religion.

« Last Edit: October 29, 2013, 04:42:50 AM by Jonny-UK »
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 08:06:17 AM »
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Atheists believe that there is no god, so they are in a religion.

Anyone care to discuss how stupid this is...?

I don't collect stamps: that's my hobby.  A statement that makes just as much sense as "atheism is a religion".
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 08:09:08 AM »
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Atheists believe that there is no god, so they are in a religion.

Anyone care to discuss how stupid this is...?

I don't collect stamps: that's my hobby.  A statement that makes just as much sense as "atheism is a religion".

I'm an a-diabetic.

I don't really like the label atheist as it suggests that you are without something giving a negative connotation to the word.
Rather than describe what you are not would it be better to describe what you are?

I know this isn't new by any means but going back to the OP it is the inclusion of "theist" in the word that causes confusion as there is an implied element of belief there.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 08:59:47 AM »
According to the Oxford Dictionary:

Religion
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods:

ideas about the relationship between science and religion
 a particular system of faith and worship: the world’s great religions

a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance:
  consumerism is the new religion

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I hate to say it, but the 2nd part of the definition: "a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance"  might be applicable to atheism? In a "slang" type way, however - which is clearly not what the smartass meant when saying it is a religion.

Still seems kinda' flimsy, as I don't see atheism as a "pursuit" but definitely an interest. Weak, but food for thought? 


ETA:  the OP said the "friend" stated "Atheists believe that there is no god, so they are in a religion"  which is asinine, and clearly NOT what the Oxford Dictionary is saying.  Atheists don't "believe" - it's a LACK of belief, so.........
« Last Edit: October 29, 2013, 09:03:33 AM by RubyLeo »
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 09:07:41 AM »
<snip>I hate to say it, but the 2nd part of the definition: "a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance"  might be applicable to atheism? In a "slang" type way, however - which is clearly not what the smartass meant when saying it is a religion.

I would have thought that it was an un-interest. Your definition above applies to a positive pursuit which is not the case here.

I've had this conversation with pianodwarf and OAA amongst others and I think they're right.


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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 10:38:08 AM »
I'm reminded of the expression "if atheism is a religion, then 'off' is a TV channel, and 'bald' is a hair color."
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 10:47:52 AM »
Some atheists are religious.  Their religions just aren't called "atheism".

Some theists are religious.  Their religions just aren't called "theism".

Neither "theism" nor "atheism" indicate one's religion.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 10:58:02 AM »
Hey, I have a hobby.  It's not watching sports games.

Yeah, doesn't make any sense.  That's about how saying that atheism is a religion sounds.

Saying what someone is not or does not do tells you nothing about what they are or what they do.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2013, 11:42:01 AM »
I have adopted a new religion where I refuse to use the word "the"

Atheism

Damn, I just violated our first sacrament in my first sentence!
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2013, 12:10:51 PM »
<snip>I hate to say it, but the 2nd part of the definition: "a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance"  might be applicable to atheism? In a "slang" type way, however - which is clearly not what the smartass meant when saying it is a religion.

I would have thought that it was an un-interest. Your definition above applies to a positive pursuit which is not the case here.


Ahhh....good point.  I'm personally interested in reading up and learning all about atheism - yet atheism itself is an un-interest.  Agreed. That's where I muddied the waters.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2013, 12:26:32 PM »
I hate to say it, but the 2nd part of the definition:

That is the wrong context.  Someone who is an exercize fiend might say she lifts weights religiously, but that is not the same context.  That does not make her religious.  We are talking about the belief in gods. 
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2013, 12:33:15 PM »
I hate to say it, but the 2nd part of the definition:

That is the wrong context.  Someone who is an exercize fiend might say she lifts weights religiously, but that is not the same context.  That does not make her religious.  We are talking about the belief in gods.

Agreed. I was playing around with the semantics, certainly not agreeing with some jackass claiming atheism is an actual religion.  I think when a believer is essentially cornered with no more argument left, they turn to silly comments such as what the OP shared (from the acquaintance).  It's pretty comical actually to witness someone fail at logic and instead of graciously conceding, turn to ass-clownery such as that.  :laugh:
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2013, 01:21:27 PM »
I understand that atheists are not in a religion.

But a friend of mine, scratch that, an annoying leech of an accomplice (No, not Alexis, some guy at my school) states that we are, for this reason, and a i quote:
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Atheists believe that there is no god, so they are in a religion.

Anyone care to discuss how stupid this is...?
Could your friend define religion?

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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2013, 02:11:49 PM »
"Religion is a belief in something. Atheists believe in nothing. Nothing is their god. Atheists have a leader, and his name is Darwin. They follow his tenet of Evolution, which states everything came from nothing--their god. Atheists have scripture, it's written by their angel Dawkins. They have other angels: Hitchens, Hawking, etc., but they are minor to Dawkins. See, Darwin is like their Saviour, the one who took them out of the light and into darkness: nothing--their god. Atheism is a religion."

Something like that, I am sure.

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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2013, 02:16:43 AM »
Where in Australlia do you live Angus? Just curious. I'm in Brisbane.

WA, not stating what city ;D.
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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2013, 02:18:10 AM »
Ha Ha, is there more than one?
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2013, 08:45:30 AM »
Ha Ha, is there more than one?

Well, we are the largest state in Australia...so yes.
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Re: Atheists are in a religion! Or so says some people....
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2013, 06:50:20 AM »
You can be atheist without knowing you're atheist (everyone is born without belief in gods).

You can't be Christian without ever getting contact with Christian teachings.

So, atheism is not a religion and it's the natural way of mankind.
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