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US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« on: October 26, 2013, 08:31:24 AM »
In the United States we have approx. 270 cities with failing storm water systems.  Washington DCs sewer and water system was built in 1938 I believe, for 650,000 people.  Now there are 1.5 million.  As we continue with pavement and concrete, rainwater that once soaked into the ground at any location is forced into collection systems.

Most cities have the storm water and sewer systems combined, so that when the amount of rainwater reaches a certain point, the sewer sluices open to the nearest river, whether the Potomac in DC, the Cuyahoga in Ohio, or wherever, and empty raw sewage into our rivers.

In DC, the city is building a controversial rainwater storage system as the following video shows.  At a time when Americans despise being taxed to repair bridges, repairing unseen underground water pipes is a tough sell.


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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2013, 09:38:29 AM »
We need a country wide program like the New Deal or interstate system to address our falling apart systems...but you know how the GOP will see that...socialism.
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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2013, 11:57:01 AM »
Living in an area that drains into the Chesapeake Bay, we have strict requirements for run-off to prevent chemicals or excess run-off from flowing into the Potomac River and eventually the Chesapeake Bay. People complain about the requirements for drainage plans and permits. We also have a roof tax starting that is designed to hit people harder who have larger roofs (which prevent absorption of water into the ground). As you can imagine, people complain about that, too, but then they look at the Potomac, Anacostia or Susquehanna and wonder why somebody doesn't clean it up.

We are prohibited from connecting gutters, sump-pumps or A/C condensor pumps to the sewage system. However, my street does not have drains so that water runs down the street and eventually ends in our park that was originally designed as a flood zone (and it is).
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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2013, 01:17:24 PM »
That the US is so unwilling, as a whole, to invest in its infrastructure drives me a bit crazy sometimes. Capitalism got a significant fraction of our population (shrinking every year) incredibly wealthy and the middle class pretty comfortable (also shrinking and becoming less comfortable every year) in just a few generations, historically speaking.

Now we've lost sight of the monumental labor and investment that was necessary to reach that point, and too many of us scream at the prospect of maintaining, let alone improving the infrastructure that made it possible. Education, transportation, power generation and distribution... the list goes on and on. Yes, it's expensive, but ask your great-grandparents (if you're fortunate enough to have them) how it was like before those conveniences were in place.

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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2013, 01:52:07 PM »
If we tried to build the interstate system today instead of back in the 50's and 60's, the rethuglicans wouldn't let us. Well, they would, but it would be toll roads from one end of the country to the other. lProbably like the ones they used to have in Kentucky where you had to stop every 15 miles and pay. It would suck even more to be us.

Our groundwater problems are just one of many. Hell, water is going to be a huge problem soon (in many places it is already). We've polluted our water so bad that we're killing ourselves and making it worse by creating a market for bottled water, which is neither regulated or cheap to transport. A big water bottling plant in the middle of Michigan is sucking down the water table and drying up peoples wells. When everyone should be able to get perfectly drinkable water out of their own taps.

Once the whole country is a hazardous waste site, the right wingers will blame the left for talking too much about the environment but not doing anything about it. But we'll all be dead by then so it probably doesn't much matter.

We haven't got a process for fixing things in this country. Congress thinks its job is merely to bluster and refuse to compromise. Most every one else thinks it is their job to choose sides. New organizations are more interested in the Kardashians and those of us with brains are mostly worried about when the government will start using drones to blow up those of us who dare question anything.

(Don't mind me. I haven't had my meds today.)

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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2013, 02:04:08 PM »
PP,

Don't worry, in 20 or so years children will be asking, "What is a Republican?"

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2013, 03:33:30 PM »
PP,

Don't worry, in 20 or so years children will be asking, "What is a Republican?"

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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2013, 03:53:08 PM »
If we tried to build the interstate system today instead of back in the 50's and 60's, the rethuglicans wouldn't let us. Well, they would, but it would be toll roads from one end of the country to the other. lProbably like the ones they used to have in Kentucky where you had to stop every 15 miles and pay. It would suck even more to be us.

Our groundwater problems are just one of many. Hell, water is going to be a huge problem soon (in many places it is already). We've polluted our water so bad that we're killing ourselves and making it worse by creating a market for bottled water, which is neither regulated or cheap to transport. A big water bottling plant in the middle of Michigan is sucking down the water table and drying up peoples wells. When everyone should be able to get perfectly drinkable water out of their own taps.

Once the whole country is a hazardous waste site, the right wingers will blame the left for talking too much about the environment but not doing anything about it. But we'll all be dead by then so it probably doesn't much matter.

We haven't got a process for fixing things in this country. Congress thinks its job is merely to bluster and refuse to compromise. Most every one else thinks it is their job to choose sides. New organizations are more interested in the Kardashians and those of us with brains are mostly worried about when the government will start using drones to blow up those of us who dare question anything.

(Don't mind me. I haven't had my meds today.)

The only way we got all that highway stuff done in the 1950's was by using the fear of the commies attacking and having no way to move our missiles around. We also built schools, focused on math and science, drew up emergency plans, made people exercise, and vaccinated every kid--all to combat the commies. Now there are no commies to fight and the terrorists just aren't organized enough. With no external threat, we are at a loss as to why we should do anything to improve our country. Ironically, anyone who suggests we do stuff for our country-- like we did during the cold war against the commies is called--wait for it-- a communist.[1]

We still don't have health care for everyone, we have turned our military and prisons over to for-profit corporations, and we argue about funding basic goddamn education. Our roads suck-- we are turning into the third world.  My state is completely hamstrung by no-tax initiatives, so the legislature can't even finance the project that voters support. Everyone is in debt from medical bills or from trying to get a college degree. High tech business have to import smart people from effing India. 

Right wingers are happy to take government jobs, health care, contracts and benefits while voting against them for everyone else. How can people say they love their country if they are not willing to take care of it? I guess it is the same way they say god loves us,  meanwhile sending us all to burn in hell.

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 1. That is one reason I started calling myself a commie. Like Fat Amy. If you have not been exposed to Pitch Perfect, you are so lucky. You do not have a teenaged girl...
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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2013, 04:15:37 PM »
Water systems need repaired or replaced. 

Bridges need repaired or replaced.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2013/0919/US-bridges-need-3-trillion-in-repairs-study-finds

The electric grid needs replaced or upgraded.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-04-26/news/35452037_1_electrical-system-electricity-costs-power-plants

US schools need repaired and updated.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57573747/

But fuck it.  Our priority has been to kill a few terrorists in some caves in the middle of nowhere. 
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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2013, 04:33:05 PM »
Good points, nogods. I'd forgotten that the interstate highway system was built to help move troops and equipment when WWIII started.

We were afraid of commies then. Now we're only afraid of paying taxes. Where is Russia when we need her?

And yes, that has always confused me. The people who claim to love this country the most are the ones who are the most ardent opponents of taxation. I'm guessing that churches probably have the same problem as the government. Not every member of the church pays, but all of them want to be saved. Not every citizen pays, but they all want the benefits. And that includes the ridiculously rich. It very much includes the ridiculously rich.

So our kids get to pay our debts, but they don't get anything in return. Well, they'll get a mess, which is even worse than nothing.

That's going to go over well. Well, at least that should end that pathological love of country that is mucking things up so bad.
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Re: US City Stormwater Systems Failing
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2013, 08:29:19 PM »
^^Maybe the churches can build the roads.  And the sewers. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2013, 10:56:53 PM »
If god was going to help anywhere, you would think he would help out the Middle East. But so far, no.  :P

Or maybe god would help Italy, Catholic Church and all. Isn't Venice slowly sinking? I read that the first floors of older homes are completely under water now.  :(

If god won't help the two places where Christianity got started, I don't think the US should hold its breath.  &)
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.