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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2013, 05:34:59 AM »
Maybe he could tell the horse would recover. But none of the horse specialists could do anything previously. He certainly had no helpers.

Actually, let's correct that sentence: nothing the other horse specialists had done had taken effect before that point in time.  And that's important to remember.

People usually go to "healers" last - as your parents did.  They run through all the medical options, and then finally turn to the woo.  But during that process, the medicines and treatments are all having an effect.  The reason many people believe that it is the "healer" that did the trick is because the healer was (for very good reasons) the last person to touch the animal/person who was sick.  Then when the animal, or the person, shows signs of recovery, people discount all the treatment and medicines that were given over a long period of time, and assume that it was just the very last action that worked. 

And a lot of healers rely on that.  Its a win-win for them.  If the patient gets better, it was what THEY did for them.  If the patient dies, "you didn't call me in soon enough".
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2013, 05:42:29 AM »
Demons are malevolent beings that are in league with Satan. They try to get you to come to their side by tempting you away from Jesus.

You are not a demon, but you are doing their work unintentionally because they have you fooled.

Skeptic54768, can you explain exactly how I can recognise a demon?  Clearly I don't want to be fooled, so if you can tell me how I can spot a demon it would be very useful.

He was merely showing Satan how foolish he was for thinking Job would ever curse God.

The moral of the story is that bad things will happen to us and we have to just bear through it and keep our faith in God.

Except bad things would NOT have happened to Job if Yahweh had not allowed Satan to do it.  Why should I keep my faith in a god who is apparently the person who allows the bad things to happen?

God wants toughened warriors.

Why?  I thought we were created to enjoy a life of idyll in paradise, doesn't sound like an environment that requires toughened warriors.  So if Yahweh NOW wants warriors, it must be because his plans have gone wrong.  Again, why should I have faith in a deity whose plans go so easily wrong, and has to make such radical changes to them as a result?
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2013, 05:51:30 AM »
God wants toughened warriors.

Why?  I thought we were created to enjoy a life of idyll in paradise, doesn't sound like an environment that requires toughened warriors.  So if Yahweh NOW wants warriors, it must be because his plans have gone wrong.  Again, why should I have faith in a deity whose plans go so easily wrong, and has to make such radical changes to them as a result?

Yahweh is worried about ragnarok. With good reason too, after all he created Jörmungandr after the garden incident. What if Thor isn't up to the job of killing it and Yahweh has to step in?
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2013, 05:56:30 AM »
Maybe he could tell the horse would recover. But none of the horse specialists could do anything previously. He certainly had no helpers.

Actually, let's correct that sentence: nothing the other horse specialists had done had taken effect before that point in time.  And that's important to remember.

People usually go to "healers" last - as your parents did.  They run through all the medical options, and then finally turn to the woo.  But during that process, the medicines and treatments are all having an effect.  The reason many people believe that it is the "healer" that did the trick is because the healer was (for very good reasons) the last person to touch the animal/person who was sick.  Then when the animal, or the person, shows signs of recovery, people discount all the treatment and medicines that were given over a long period of time, and assume that it was just the very last action that worked. 

And a lot of healers rely on that.  Its a win-win for them.  If the patient gets better, it was what THEY did for them.  If the patient dies, "you didn't call me in soon enough".

I saw this through a child's eyes. I never assumed anything. I just wondered how he did it. Some of the answers given here are obvious when seen from an adult's point of view. It is strange how a child's perception can sometimes trap your thoughts. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2013, 11:35:01 AM »
Most likely explanation is that the guru was channeling Satan and his demons to do this.

The devil has great power and considering it wasn't a Christian doing the healing, the only logical option is demonic powers.

No, this isn't the only logical option. You clearly have no clue what logic is.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2013, 11:37:43 AM »

I don't know specifically how much power the devil truly has.

All I know is that he inflicted a hell of a lot of evil on Job. He also offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and Jesus took him seriously.

If Jesus was convinced of the devil's power, then I would be a fool to disagree with Jesus.

Except under your theology Jesus is God. So the devil supposedly tempted God with his own possessions? Can you get anymore gullible?

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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2013, 11:40:52 AM »
Are you saying that I can't believe in demons even though the bible mentions them and I believe in the bible?

And herein lies the problem.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2013, 01:41:12 PM »
skeptic54768,

You say jesus took the devil seriously???    The satan/devil is an enigma to me, Satan knows god personally,  he has had one on one conversations with the dude.  How stupid is Satan? Unlike humans who have never seen a serious sign of gods existence, satan has wittnessed the power of god,  he knows that he is powerless to do anything that god does not will.  So how did Satan end up in this struggle with God?

If I were Satan, I doubt I would be pushing God's buttons let alone challenging him.  Satan met God when he was first created, there is no argument that can be made that with his knowledge of god and gods power that would justify him picking a fight with god.  I mean the devil saw god create a universe, the devil appears to be relegated to the power of suggestion and maybe occasionally a posession or two per century.

To spend thousands of years fighting a pointless battle relegates the devil to among the stupidest sentient beings in the universe.  Even below the intellect of Obama:)

The devil picking a fight with god is suicide.  No different than me standing infront of a bullet train and hoping I can stop it by blowing really hard.


I can choose all day long to not believe in god because I have never seen a shred of evidence of his existence.  I can try and convince others because of my observations.  But the devil would need a hell of a case of amnesia to take on a being that is infinitely powerful.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2013, 02:43:17 PM »
^^^ This is precisely the reason why the "freewill" argument is not a valid justification for God not revealing himself plainly to all (as even WITH freewill Satan said no).  HINT: IT'S FICTION!
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2013, 03:53:05 PM »
You are not a demon. You are human. Demons are malevolent beings that are in league with Satan. They try to get you to come to their side by tempting you away from Jesus.

You are not a demon, but you are doing their work unintentionally because they have you fooled.

Was it demons who did the magic for Pharaoh's magicians in their duel with Moses?
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2013, 04:00:40 PM »
God wants toughened warriors.

Warriors?  What for?  What war is being fought?  Why would the so-called Prince of Peace want warriors? What kind of war requires turning the other cheek or loving your enemies? 

I think your interpretation of xianity is pretty much completely backward.   



Bringing souls away from Christ by preaching atheistic dogma, so to speak.

You don't personally believe that you are bringing souls away form Christ, but that is what I believe you are doing.

For me, it is totally intentional.  I am definitely trying to get people to stop believing in xian bullshit.

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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2013, 04:13:19 PM »
Was it demons who did the magic for Pharaoh's magicians in their duel with Moses?

Yes. The Egyptians were worshiping demons and that's why God brought plagues onto them.

I already covered this previously.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2013, 04:14:29 PM »
Warriors?  What for?  What war is being fought?  Why would the so-called Prince of Peace want warriors? What kind of war requires turning the other cheek or loving your enemies? 

I think your interpretation of xianity is pretty much completely backward.   

Book of Revelation mentions a war in Heaven being fought.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2013, 04:16:42 PM »
Guess it's pretty savage and harsh up there.  Peaceful on Earth by comparison.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2013, 05:19:38 PM »
Warriors?  What for?  What war is being fought?  Why would the so-called Prince of Peace want warriors? What kind of war requires turning the other cheek or loving your enemies? 

I think your interpretation of xianity is pretty much completely backward.   

Book of Revelation mentions a war in Heaven being fought.
Have YOU ever read the Bible?

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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2013, 11:56:30 PM »
Was it demons who did the magic for Pharaoh's magicians in their duel with Moses?

Yes. The Egyptians were worshiping demons and that's why God brought plagues onto them.

I already covered this previously.
Outside of the Bible is there any proof of this plague?
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2013, 12:07:49 AM »
Outside of the Bible is there any proof of this plague?

Highly doubtful, brother.

The Egyptians wouldn't write about it because it made them look foolish.

Who would you expect to write about it besides the Bible?
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2013, 12:12:04 AM »
Skeptic54768, can you explain exactly how I can recognise a demon?  Clearly I don't want to be fooled, so if you can tell me how I can spot a demon it would be very useful.

Follow Jesus' words. It really is that simple.

You will then easily notice how other religions and healing, psychic, seances, powers are of Satan and his demons.


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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2013, 12:14:47 AM »
Outside of the Bible is there any proof of this plague?

Highly doubtful, brother.

The Egyptians wouldn't write about it because it made them look foolish.

Who would you expect to write about it besides the Bible?


Skeptic54768, can you explain exactly how I can recognise a demon?  Clearly I don't want to be fooled, so if you can tell me how I can spot a demon it would be very useful.
Follow Jesus' words. It really is that simple. You will then easily notice how other religions and healing, psychic, seances, powers are of Satan and his demons.


These are exactly the types of rationalizations that all religions try to use in order to justify having no sound evidence for their assumptions. Sorry, you can't assume your position. You need to demonstrate how you know what you think you know.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2013, 06:07:05 AM »
Skeptic54768, can you explain exactly how I can recognise a demon?  Clearly I don't want to be fooled, so if you can tell me how I can spot a demon it would be very useful.

Follow Jesus' words. It really is that simple.

Sorry, doesn't help, as the only report I have of "Jesus' words" are those in the Bible.  How can I tell whether the Bible is the work of a demon or not? 

It would be a very good trick by a demon, to create an allegedly holy book that convinced billions over thousands of years to do things a certain way - if I was a clever demon, I'd write a book that, on the face of it, appeared to be a Good Book, but included within it one or two hell-guaranteeing passages that the believers would accept and try to justify, precisely because the rest of the book seemed so damn plausible - pun intended.

So I'll ask again - how do I tell that the Bible is not the work of a demon? 
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2013, 06:16:11 AM »
skeptic54768,

You say jesus took the devil seriously???    The satan/devil is an enigma to me, Satan knows god personally,  he has had one on one conversations with the dude.  How stupid is Satan? Unlike humans who have never seen a serious sign of gods existence, satan has wittnessed the power of god,  he knows that he is powerless to do anything that god does not will.  So how did Satan end up in this struggle with God?

If I were Satan, I doubt I would be pushing God's buttons let alone challenging him.  Satan met God when he was first created, there is no argument that can be made that with his knowledge of god and gods power that would justify him picking a fight with god.  I mean the devil saw god create a universe, the devil appears to be relegated to the power of suggestion and maybe occasionally a posession or two per century.

To spend thousands of years fighting a pointless battle relegates the devil to among the stupidest sentient beings in the universe.  Even below the intellect of Obama:)

The devil picking a fight with god is suicide.  No different than me standing infront of a bullet train and hoping I can stop it by blowing really hard.


I can choose all day long to not believe in god because I have never seen a shred of evidence of his existence.  I can try and convince others because of my observations.  But the devil would need a hell of a case of amnesia to take on a being that is infinitely powerful.

skeptic54768,
 
do you have any thoughts on this?  How does the devil even consider taking on god.  The creator of everything including the devil himself.  A creature that by very nature can think you away.

How does a being that can think away the devil take the devil seriously?

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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2013, 02:07:04 PM »
... an Indian guru who healed horses. The guru came and stroked the horse with his hands for about ten minutes then said the horse is cured and asked my parents for money.
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John Horton was a racehorse trainer with a string of winners to his name and the local millionaire. The story was that John Smith (the father) would be invited to inspect all the horses. He would have the horses walk past him and then pronounce on what problems the horse had and how it should be treated. The horses were all kept to the highest standards so disease was rare but Smith would diagnose it by sight. The majority of the treatment usually consisted of such things as diet, horseshoe type, a weight on one side of the saddle, rest, etc.

Later I asked a vet who attended Horton’s stable about John Smith. He replied that the man was a genius with horses and he (the vet) would never go against John Smith’s advice. I asked if Smith had ever been wrong. “Not that I know.” He replied. “He sometimes gives diseases strange names but he’s otherwise accurate.”

“How does he do it?”

“He’s lived and breathed horses for about 60 years. He’s seen it all and remembered and he learned the trade from his father.”

The thing is that the Smiths had a history of being taught and were sensitive to things the ordinary eye would not note. They were, in fact, practising the scientific method. Observation and application of knowledge and experience.

So with your guru. I suspect that he knew that the condition of the horse was one that was a precursor to recovery.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2013, 02:11:15 PM »

All I know is that he inflicted a hell of a lot of evil on Job. He also offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and Jesus took him seriously.

Anyone who cites the Job story in defense of their religion is sick, IMHO.  The Job fable is seriously evil.  I suppose you glossed over the part where all of Job's children were killed, and that part of his "reward" was getting all new, replacement children?  And what does that teach us about how gawd values human life?

Folks who think the story of Job indicates a goodly god are ... not thinking clearly.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2013, 07:30:56 PM »

All I know is that he inflicted a hell of a lot of evil on Job. He also offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and Jesus took him seriously.

Anyone who cites the Job story in defense of their religion is sick, IMHO.  The Job fable is seriously evil.  I suppose you glossed over the part where all of Job's children were killed, and that part of his "reward" was getting all new, replacement children?  And what does that teach us about how gawd values human life?

Folks who think the story of Job indicates a goodly god are ... not thinking clearly.

We think clearly. We just analyze all sides. job's children went to heaven. His new children went to Heaven as well. That equals more people in Heaven.

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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2013, 07:37:28 PM »
skeptic54768,
 
do you have any thoughts on this?  How does the devil even consider taking on god.  The creator of everything including the devil himself.  A creature that by very nature can think you away.

How does a being that can think away the devil take the devil seriously?

The devil does not scare God. God laughs at the devil. The test is for us to overcome the devil with our own knowledge and love for God.

The devil doesn't think he can beat God. The devil just has too much pride to want to worship God. The devil doesn't want someone in charge of him. Devil knows he's dead where he stands, he just wants to drag people down with him.

Arrogance and pride are doing the devil in big time. He's got a Titanicload of that stuff. He's like a child that wants nothing to do with his parents. Refuses to go to school, refuses to listen, and runs away from home. His parents just give up on him. Parents would be waiting with open arms if the son ever came home, but they can't do anything about it unless he comes home on his own.
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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2013, 07:40:27 PM »
God laughs at the devil.
Citation please.
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« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2013, 07:46:56 PM »
The devil does not scare God. God laughs at the devil. The test is for us to overcome the devil with our own knowledge and love for God.

The devil doesn't think he can beat God. The devil just has too much pride to want to worship God. The devil doesn't want someone in charge of him. Devil knows he's dead where he stands, he just wants to drag people down with him.

Arrogance and pride are doing the devil in big time. He's got a Titanicload of that stuff. He's like a child that wants nothing to do with his parents. Refuses to go to school, refuses to listen, and runs away from home. His parents just give up on him. Parents would be waiting with open arms if the son ever came home, but they can't do anything about it unless he comes home on his own.

Ok, for probably the first time in your stay here, I'm actually interested in what you are saying.

I'm completely serious with this question: what do you base all of these statements about the devil and what he is trying to do, on? Where did you get this information?
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« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2013, 07:51:18 PM »
The 2010 world cup was ruined for me by that slippery bastard Paul.

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Re: I saw an animal healer heal a horse
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2013, 08:04:06 PM »
God laughs at the devil.
Citation please.

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Damn it. I concede my point.

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