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Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« on: October 15, 2013, 12:30:27 PM »
...in Malaysia. Well, maybe. The article isn't quite clear on that and it's only toward non-Muslims:

From BBC UK[1]
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A Malaysian court has ruled that non-Muslims cannot use the word Allah to refer to God, even in their own faiths, overturning a 2009 lower court ruling.

The appeals court said the term Allah must be exclusive to Islam or it could cause public disorder.

People of all faiths use the word Allah in Malay to refer to their Gods.

Christians argue they have used the word, which entered Malay from Arabic, to refer to their God for centuries and that the ruling violates their rights.

One Malaysian Christian woman said the ruling would affect the community greatly.

"If we are prohibited from using the word Allah then we have to re-translate the whole Bible, if it comes to that," Ester Moiji from Sabah state told the BBC.

'Disappointed and dismayed'

The 2009 ruling sparked tensions, with churches and mosques attacked.

It came after the government said that a Catholic newspaper, The Herald, could not use the word in its Malay-language edition to describe the Christian God.

The newspaper sued, and a court ruled in their favour in December 2009. The government then launched an appeal.

Upholding the appeal on Monday, chief judge Mohamed Apandi Ali said: "The usage of the word Allah is not an integral part of the faith in Christianity. The usage of the word will cause confusion in the community."

The Herald editor Reverend Lawrence Andrew said he was "disappointed and dismayed", and would appeal against the decision.

"It is a retrograde step in the development of law in relation to the fundamental liberty of religious minorities," he said.

The newspaper's supporters have argued that Malay-language Bibles have used Allah to refer to the Christian God since before Malaysia was formed as a federal state in 1963.

"Allah is a term in the Middle East and in Indonesia it is a term both for Christians and Muslims. You cannot say that in all of the sudden it is not an integral part. Malay language is a language that has many borrowed words, Allah also is a borrowed word."

However, some Muslim groups have said that the Christian use of the word Allah could be used to encourage Muslims to convert to Christianity.

Editor of Catholic Newspaper The Herald Lawrence Andrew: 'God is an integral part of every religion'
"Allah is not a Malay word. If they [non-Muslims] say they want to use a Malay word they should use Tuhan instead of Allah," Zainul Rijal Abu Bakar, a lawyer representing the government, told the BBC.

Dozens of churches and a few Muslim prayer halls were attacked and burned in the wake of the 2009 ruling, highlighting the intensity of feeling about issues of ethnicity and faith in Malaysia.

Some Malaysians believe the governing Malay-Muslim party is using the case to boost its Islamic credentials among voters, the BBC's Jennifer Pak reports from outside the court in Putrajaya.

Malay Muslims make up almost two-thirds of the country's population, but there are large Hindu and Christian communities.

Prime Minister Najib Razak's coalition won elections in May, but it was the coalition's worst result in more than half a century in power.

Can you imagine getting arrested, or fined, or even worse for saying one word? This is what religion does.

Sad.

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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM »
For the love of Allah! Seriously? These people are insane.
The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.
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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2013, 12:47:36 PM »

Can you imagine getting arrested, or fined, or even worse for saying one word?

Yes, here's a documentary on it:


And that is about the point that Islam has reached in its evolution.
Nobody says “There are many things that we thought were natural processes, but now know that a god did them.”

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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 01:40:37 PM »
^sad but funny.

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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 01:47:04 PM »
It would be nice if no one had to use the word.
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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 09:51:13 PM »
I believe the word "Nazi" is prohibited in Germany (I know the swastika symbol is prohibited there).  Using a different "N" word in the US can get you into some hot water too.   :-X
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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 10:02:16 PM »
I believe the word "Nazi" is prohibited in Germany (I know the swastika symbol is prohibited there).  Using a different "N" word in the US can get you into some hot water too.   :-X

It is not illegal to say "Nazi" in Germany, nor is it illegal to say "nigger" in the US. Fine difference.

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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 10:42:56 PM »
It is not illegal to say "Nazi" in Germany...

Thanks for the clarification Nam.  My wife has relatives in Germany, and I thought they told me it was. 

...nor is it illegal to say "nigger" in the US

No - but right or wrong, if one's not careful of the company in which the word is said, it can be damaging:

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/food-network-not-renewing-paula-deen%E2%80%99s

Note that the word isn't even used in the article about the use of the word.
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Re: Saying Allah Can Get You Arrested
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 11:03:25 PM »
It's illegal to deny the holocaust, or have Nazi paraphernalia etc., but it's not illegal to the word or teachers who taught history would all be in jail.

Yes, it can be damaging to say "nigger" but it's not illegal. As I said, there's fine difference. It's actually illegal in Malaysia for a non-Muslim to say,write, or what not the word "Allah", and criminal charges can, and most likely will, be placed on those who do.

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