Did god answer your prayer to heal the dog? Yes or No? If god had not healed the dog, would that have been proof that god did not exist?
That sounds like Schrodinger's evidence.
The dog being healed is both evidence and not evidence for God at the same time, according to you.
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that if an answered prayer
is to be taken as evidence for god
, than an unanswered prayer
has to be taken as evidence of no god
What you are arguing is that no matter what the outcome of your prayer, it is still evidence for god
. If you pray and the dog gets well, then god exists, because he healed the dog as a consequence of your prayer. But if you pray and the dog (or in my sister's case, the cat) does not get well, you are saying that god still exists but just chose not to answer that prayer
. Not logical. You are trying to have it both ways. Do you see why?
Now, realize that I am just arguing for the sake of argument here. I do not think that god ever answers prayers because there is no god to answer prayers. That is why prayers that are answered are always things that could happen by other means than the supernatural.
Dogs get better, people find jobs, football teams win, addicted teens stop taking drugs, and someone's stolen car gets found. Whether anyone prayed or not. These things happen in the lives of atheists and religious folk alike. If good stuff like that only happened when people prayed we would start to notice.
Impossible prayers, like no tornadoes, hurricanes, or earthquakes anywhere for a solid year, a veteran's missing arm grows back whole, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell spontaneously combust into fireworks on the front lawn of the Congress, every refugee from Syria is able to return home safely this weekend, every child with cancer in the world is completely cured and cancer-free by tomorrow morning--so-called miracles--never, ever happen.
Those would require supernatural intervention, at least as far as we know. With cameras, internet and 24-hour news, there is no way it would be a secret if a miracle happened. No confirmed report of anything like that. Ever. Most religions say they used to happen, all the time. They just don't anymore, now that we have aforementioned cameras and the internet.