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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #435 on: October 18, 2013, 07:43:59 PM »

It's not barbarism. Do you realize how many people get abortions without a second thought? Atheists can not be pro-choice and then argue against God killing children in the womb.

That's a silly contradictory position to hold.


Is abortion barbaric?
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #436 on: October 18, 2013, 07:53:29 PM »
Is abortion barbaric?

To perform on your own, absolutely.
For God to do it, not at all.

Just like if you keep a known serial killer locked up in your basement for months and you don't tell the cops and the cops find out about it, you will get in trouble.
But, locking them up in prison is OK.
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #437 on: October 18, 2013, 07:56:43 PM »
it doesn't matter if you believe in Satan or not. the fact is that those symbols have been used by satanic religions in the past. They are now used by the Catholic Church.
make of that what you will. To me, it's obvious.


See now you are contradicting yourself again. Earlier you said you don't lean on your own understanding, but now you just admitted that you are (to you "it's obvious") leaning on your own understanding. You just will not see the contradictions in your worldview, will you? In any case, if there is offense on both sides so what. I, and others here, have asked for evidence of why you think this bible is "the Word of God". Please provide it in the OP I created.


Getting back to topic now, this alleged 'sacrifice' did not require the alleged God thing to give up anything. So it wasn't a real sacrifice. If you are going to be consistent you will have to admit that in the OT the people actually lost something (namely an oxe, etc). God making a piece of himself flesh (when he, according to you, owns all flesh) and then destroying that flesh (if true) isn't a loss of anything - and it doesn't matter that there was physical pain. The physical pain of an innocent man (who did not commit a specific murder), or an animal for that matter, doesn't do anything to admonish the true killers terrible deeds. It seems you are using "don't lean on your own understanding" anytime you realize there is a contradiction or irrational justification within your theology. That is called intellectual dishonesty.

The point is that God could have just forgiven us without the sacrifice. But, He willingly went through with the sacrifice as a homage to us. God willfully took part in pain and suffering to be like us. I find that extraordinarily loving.
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #438 on: October 18, 2013, 09:08:49 PM »
To perform on your own, absolutely.
For God to do it, not at all.

What makes god so special as to not be barbaric?
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #439 on: October 18, 2013, 09:12:40 PM »
What makes god so special as to not be barbaric?

His creations. His choice.

Does the clay tell the potter what to make?
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #440 on: October 18, 2013, 09:20:21 PM »
His creations. His choice.

So a mother can murder her family because she "made" them?
Nice work there, making gender equality again.

Does the clay tell the potter what to make?

If it was sentient and intelligent, i would say yes.
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« Reply #441 on: October 18, 2013, 09:54:35 PM »
You know what I just thought? I wish Maggie the Opinionated were here. I would LOVE for him to have a discussion with her. It'd be cool.

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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #442 on: October 18, 2013, 11:03:13 PM »
So a mother can murder her family because she "made" them?
Nice work there, making gender equality again.

Mothers don't make children. God allows them to be born if it's in His plan.


If it was sentient and intelligent, i would say yes.

How silly. So we will be shutting down all the slaughterhouses?
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #443 on: October 18, 2013, 11:10:46 PM »
So a mother can murder her family because she "made" them?
Nice work there, making gender equality again.

Mothers don't make children. God allows them to be born if it's in His plan.


If it was sentient and intelligent, i would say yes.

How silly. So we will be shutting down all the slaughterhouses?

You get more stupid in my eyes every post you make. I have seen a woman give birth; you can find videos online of women giving birth. So, in a sense it takes two to create a child (man/woman), Biblegod isn't a part of that process.

Unless you're saying only Biblegod  impregnates females; and if so, it's a serial rapist.

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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #444 on: October 18, 2013, 11:15:35 PM »
So a mother can murder her family because she "made" them?
Nice work there, making gender equality again.

Mothers don't make children. God allows them to be born if it's in His plan.


If it was sentient and intelligent, i would say yes.

How silly. So we will be shutting down all the slaughterhouses?

You get more stupid in my eyes every post you make. I have seen a woman give birth; you can find videos online of women giving birth. So, in a sense it takes two to create a child (man/woman), Biblegod isn't a part of that process.

Unless you're saying only Biblegod  impregnates females; and if so, it's a serial rapist.

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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #445 on: October 18, 2013, 11:16:38 PM »
I'm sorry, I don't click links by idiots. Try again.

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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #446 on: October 18, 2013, 11:18:31 PM »
I'm sorry, I don't click links by idiots. Try again.

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That link basically demolishes atheism.
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #447 on: October 18, 2013, 11:22:36 PM »
I'm sorry, I don't click links by idiots. Try again.

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That link basically demolishes atheism.

How does one demolish a concept or idea that has been around longer than the concept or idea of a "god/s"?

One can't demolish an idea. They can discount it but they can't demolish it.

Try again.

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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #448 on: October 18, 2013, 11:26:03 PM »
Mothers don't make children. God allows them to be born if it's in His plan.

Mothers don't make children?
I guess electrons don't power light-bulbs then.
What an idiot.

How silly. So we will be shutting down all the slaughterhouses?

Farm animals are not smart, nor sentient.

To add, that image you linked is utter bullshit, as we know mothers exist, and that atheists do believe mothers exist.
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« Reply #449 on: October 18, 2013, 11:33:05 PM »
To add, that image you linked is utter bullshit, as we know mothers exist, and that atheists do believe mothers exist.

You must have missed the point.

The babies have never seen mom.
Are they justified in not believing in mom?
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #450 on: October 18, 2013, 11:36:36 PM »
To add, that image you linked is utter bullshit, as we know mothers exist, and that atheists do believe mothers exist.

You must have missed the point.

The babies have never seen mom.
Are they justified in not believing in mom?

What EXACTLY do you think new born babies believe in? Jesus?
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Re: Jesus - What Kind of Sacrifice Are You Talking About?
« Reply #451 on: October 18, 2013, 11:39:09 PM »
What EXACTLY do you think new born babies believe in? Jesus?

Excellent tapdancing!

 Could be a nice career for you.  :)
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« Reply #452 on: October 18, 2013, 11:39:43 PM »
You must have missed the point.

I think you do not know what a fetus is.
Not baby, "fetus".

The babies have never seen mom.
Are they justified in not believing in mom?

A fetus is incapable of such thoughts to start, so yes, they are justified, just like how a rock can never see or think about anything.
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« Reply #453 on: October 18, 2013, 11:42:10 PM »
I think you do not know what a fetus is.
Not baby, "fetus".

It's a human being. Don't devalue the life of a human being.

A fetus is incapable of such thoughts to start, so yes, they are justified, just like how a rock can never see or think about anything.

Hypothetically, if the babies could think in the womb, would they be justified in a-momism? You know the answer is a big fat "No!" but you can't say it because it is a problem for your position.
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« Reply #454 on: October 18, 2013, 11:44:49 PM »
skeptic,

If anyone here is devaluing a human being it's and your ilk.

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« Reply #455 on: October 18, 2013, 11:45:51 PM »
It's a human being. Don't devalue the life of a human being.

Never devalued it, but it is a fetus, not a baby. Learn your own species stages of development.

Hypothetically, if the babies could think in the womb, would they be justified in a-momism? You know the answer is a big fat "No!" but you can't say it because it is a problem for your position.

Irrelevant, they cannot think, nor is it likely that they will ever.
If they could think, they would not have the intelligence to understand how they have a "mother".
If they were intelligent, they would know they have a mother, not a god.
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« Reply #456 on: October 18, 2013, 11:46:34 PM »
skeptic,

If anyone here is devaluing a human being it's and your ilk.

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My side despises abortion.

Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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« Reply #457 on: October 18, 2013, 11:47:44 PM »
Irrelevant, they cannot think, nor is it likely that they will ever.
If they could think, they would not have the intelligence to understand how they have a "mother".
If they were intelligent, they would know they have a mother, not a god.

How would they know they have a mother? Never empirically experienced the mother...
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« Reply #458 on: October 18, 2013, 11:50:24 PM »
I think you do not know what a fetus is.
Not baby, "fetus".

It's a human being. Don't devalue the life of a human being.

A fetus is incapable of such thoughts to start, so yes, they are justified, just like how a rock can never see or think about anything.

Hypothetically, if the babies could think in the womb, would they be justified in a-momism? You know the answer is a big fat "No!" but you can't say it because it is a problem for your position.

Hypothetically, if the babies could think in the womb, would they be justified in believing in Jesus? You know the answer is a big fat "No!" but you can't say it because it is a problem for your position.

Hypothetically, if you were born in a different country would you believe in Jesus? You know the answer is a big fat "No!" but you can't say it because it is a problem for your position.


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« Reply #459 on: October 18, 2013, 11:52:25 PM »
How would they know they have a mother? Never empirically experienced the mother...

As i said, if they were intelligent, i'm fairly sure they would know they have a mother.
Mothers tend to talk to their children before they are born, and i'm fairly sure that they would be inside of a "womb".
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« Reply #460 on: October 18, 2013, 11:54:05 PM »
Hypothetically, if the babies could think in the womb, would they be justified in believing in Jesus? You know the answer is a big fat "No!" but you can't say it because it is a problem for your position.

That is quite a backpedal.
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« Reply #461 on: October 18, 2013, 11:55:32 PM »
As i said, if they were intelligent, i'm fairly sure they would know they have a mother.
Mothers tend to talk to their children before they are born, and i'm fairly sure that they would be inside of a "womb".

Womb=universe
Mother=God

babies live in womb, believe in life after birth.
We live in the universe, believe in life after death.

It's a no-brainer.
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« Reply #462 on: October 19, 2013, 12:02:55 AM »
As i said, if they were intelligent, i'm fairly sure they would know they have a mother.
Mothers tend to talk to their children before they are born, and i'm fairly sure that they would be inside of a "womb".

Womb=universe
Mother=God

babies live in womb, believe in life after birth.
We live in the universe, believe in life after death.

It's a no-brainer.

Yes, you have no brain. Stop reminding us.

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« Reply #463 on: October 19, 2013, 12:03:16 AM »
Womb=universe
Mother=God

No.
Womb= physical organ that is used to house a fetus and allow its survival.
Mother= female individual with at least one child.

babies live in womb, believe in life after birth.

No, babies live outside of a womb, learn your damned stages of development.

We live in the universe, believe in life after death.

Correction, some believe in life after death.
By some, i mean people who enjoy making themselves happy by deluding themselves.

It's a no-brainer.

No wonder you are so good at this.
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