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just a question ? [#2764]
« on: October 01, 2013, 05:27:55 PM »
Hi,
It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it , History proves the Bible , Science proves the Bible , Nature proves the bible, and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .
It's sad that just 'cause you by the sound of it are an evolutionist (i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving ) but all jokes aside without hope you have nothing to live for and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ? no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 05:38:40 PM »
...and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .

The one honest and accurate statement you made.
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 05:52:28 PM »
And that choice is "love Me or burn in hell".  Nice God you have there.
Yo, put that in your pipe and smoke it.  Quit ragging on my Lord.

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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 05:58:16 PM »
Hi,
It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it , History proves the Bible , Science proves the Bible , Nature proves the bible, and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .

Repetitious nonsense that uses opinion and itself as evidence.

Try again.

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It's sad that just 'cause you by the sound of it are an evolutionist (i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving ) but all jokes aside

If only...

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without hope you have nothing to live for and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ? no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....

I live everyday just fine. No complaints.

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Kind regards

If only.

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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 05:59:47 PM »
............ and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that

   How long have people been looking for the return of Jesus?   Let's say he really was born at 0 year and died at 33 yrs old.  That leaves 1980 yrs. waiting.  All the people that have believed and died waiting - I am sure you have an explanation, in fact as many explanations as there are Christians.  Jesus arrives when people get to heaven, Jesus  will arrive after the great earthquake (Rev 16:18).  If we only prayed enough Jesus would arrive,  or maybe the beast referred to in Rev 19:19.  Is that Obama?  Or maybe Rev 20:2, a dragon - is that Obama? 

Here are the signs:
   Disease
   Earthquakes / Natural Disasters
   Economic Collapse
   Religious Persecution
   False Prophets
   Great Tribulation
   Holy Covenant
   Famine / Drought
   Increased Knowledge
   Mark of the Beast
   Atheism / Narcissism / Hedonism
   Rampant Violence
   Rapture
   Rise of the Antichrist
   Wars
   World Government
   World Travel

It certainly seems like all of these have come true, doesn't it?  It seems like they were all true after WWI, or after the airplane was invented and people could travel the world, or after WWII, or after Israel became a nation.  What a horrible thing for society, world travel.  And remember, Obama is the antichrist, right? 

- don't people get tired of the same ole BS?  The 43,000 denomination interpretations.  Well, the bible didn't really mean that - this what the bible really meant - I KNOW!!     &)
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 07:01:59 PM »
Wow.

It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it, History proves the Bible , Science proves the Bible , Nature proves the bible, and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .
Have you read the damn Bible?

And by reading I don't mean obey your church leader on Sundays and flip to those heartwarming verses like John 3:16 or Philippians 4:13. I mean actually sit down and read the book cover to cover. I'm more than certain you haven't because the honest and intelligent Christians that have read and studied the Bible do understand the points raised by nonbelievers, AND they don't have an asinine retort like "the Bible proves the Bible." But you? Lazy people like you don't even take your religion seriously. It's incredibly frustrating when your ilk try to lecture nonbelievers and ex-Christians who have already invested countless hours of their lives reading the Bible and studying scripture because they do actually give a shit.

It's sad that just 'cause you by the sound of it are an evolutionist (i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving )
Are you a Poe?

[...] but all jokes aside without hope you have nothing to live for
You are a Poe. What the hell does understanding evolution have to do with having hope?

[...] and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ?
A lot. If you're sincere then do join the forum and we will be more than happy to explain the problem with faith and the problem with biblical prophesy.

[...] no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....
"The Lord said to Moses at Mount Sinai: [...] Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life."
 
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 07:08:20 PM »
That means nothing, he only follows the NT, except of course the parts in the OT like, Creationism, the Flood, the Ten Commandments etc., but besides those things, as a Christian, he only follows the NT.

;)

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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 07:19:19 PM »
Do you realize language has evolved to the point we now use punctuation and a smattering of other grammar rules?
I vote POE also
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 07:21:13 PM »
Do you realize language has evolved to the point we now use puntuation and a smattering of other grammar rules?
I vote POE also

SCORE!

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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 07:23:21 PM »
Hi,
It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it , History proves the Bible, Science proves the Bible , Nature proves the bible, and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .

The founder of this site has little to do with it these days, so you're talking to an entire forum of (mostly) atheists. And I really, really want to believe you're a Poe. Nonetheless, I'll respond to your ignorance. Hopefully we'll both learn something.

I was a Christian for 15 years. In that time I read the Bible in its entirety twice and participated in several Bible study courses in my church. While I'm no scholar, I do have a passing familiarity with it.

To claim that history, science and nature prove the Bible's accuracy is laughable. To claim that "the Bible..... PROVES the Bible" is astoundingly ignorant. Seriously, are you ten years old, that you don't know what circular reasoning is? The Bible is riddled with historical, scientific and biological inaccuracies, which is not to be wondered at.

While the originators and transcribers of its myths couldn't (presumably) help their ignorance, those of us in the modern era certainly can. Indeed, to not do so is an insult to our predecessors. So honor their sacrifices and start with this list of things your holy book got wrong:http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

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It's sad that just 'cause you by the sound of it are an evolutionist (i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving )

It is unfortunately possible that you actually believe that's how evolution works; fundie Christians in the US have been promulgating those kinds of lies for generations now. Evolution proceeds by incremental changes in a species' genes that in turn make changes in that species' physiology. Especially in the larger, more complex organisms (like humans and other mammals), such changes usually happen too gradually to be perceptible to us. But they do happen, and we have the fossil record and genetics to prove it.

The evolution of the vertebrate eye is a favorite target for fundies like you, who ignorantly repeat the distortions of evolutionary theory they learned from others, or outright lie. It's easily refuted by... hold your breath, now... observing nature. Eyes of various levels of complexity can be found in living animals even today: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB921_1.html

Finally, let's quote Darwin himself about the subject (bolds mine):http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Darwin_on_evolution_of_the_eye
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Organs of extreme perfection and complication.

"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.

Note that the bolded section is what creationists love to quote, and that they go on to lie by omitting the rest, where Darwin lays out his reasoning as to how development of eyes as complex as our own is possible. And... hold your breath, now... he was right.

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but all jokes aside without hope you have nothing to live for and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ? no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....
Kind Regards
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Yet more ignorance, this time about how atheists must be without hope and only live to destroy the apparently oh-so-fragile beliefs of theists. Almighty Bastet (that's a sarcastic invocation of an Egyptian goddess, just to be clear), but it gets tiresome educating people like you sometimes.

To be brief, humans are social creatures. There are clear advantages to cooperating, forming emotional bonds with each other, planning for the future. The sane ones among us take pleasure in each others' company as we do these things; if that weren't so we never would have gotten to, much less past, the hunter-gatherer stage.

None of this requires religious belief. It's simply a consequence of our biological and social evolution. Yet that in no way degrades the value of those feelings, those bonds. If anything, being an atheist for the last eight years has increased my appreciation of life in general and the people I love in particular. I have all kinds of hopes and need your petty god for none of them.

People having religious beliefs doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they try to inject them where they're not wanted or even explicitly forbidden, like into the US Constitution and by extension places like public schools.
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 07:27:37 PM »
Hi,
It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it
It's obvious you haven't watched the web videos, and the various arguments, several of which which quote the Bible



 , History proves the Bible

You mean like how Herod died ten years before Christ was supposedly born?
You mean like how there's not enough water in the world for a global flood?
You mean like there's no record of Herbrew slaves in Egypt...in Egypt?
You mean like Nazareth didn't exist in the first century?

Science proves the Bible
You mean like all the vast quantity of biology reinforces the theory of evolution...as opposed to "poof magic' of the Bible?

, Nature proves the bible,
You mean like all the vast quantity of biology reinforces the theory of evolution...as opposed to "poof magic' of the Bible?

and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .

But to give a few concrete quotes:

God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

[Editor's note: Some readers have raised an objection to this alleged contradiction. They point out that PSA 145:20 states that The Lord keeps all who love Him, but that He will destroy the wicked. In other words, some see no contradiction between "The Lord is good to all" and JER 13:14. Others contend, however, that even if the Lord destroys the wicked he could do so with compassion, pity, and mercy. Further, there are biblical examples that indicate that the Lord is not necessarily "good" or merciful--even to those who are not wicked. One such example is Job. As one reader points out, "If Psalm 145:9 was not a contradiction of Psalm 145:20 or Jeremiah 13:14, it would read something like this: "The LORD is good to all, except the wicked: and his tender mercies are over all his works, except when He is punishing the wicked." In any case, the idea that the Lord is good and merciful is contradicted by countless examples in the Bible where God orders the destruction of infants, personally kills David's infant child, etc.]


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War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.


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Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.


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Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.


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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


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Which first--beasts or man?
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


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How many stalls and horsemen?
1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.


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Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."


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Human vs. ghostly impregnation
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


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The sins of the father
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
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Fowl from waters or ground?
GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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Earth supported?
JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

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Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

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Moses' personality
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth."

NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

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Righteous live?
PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."


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ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."


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Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?
MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."


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Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


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Years of famine
II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;


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Moved David to anger?
II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.


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The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?
In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. MAT 1:6-16 and LUK 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.


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God be seen?
EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)


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CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:
"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (JER 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (JAS 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1CH 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (PSA 145:9)
"God is love." (1JO 4:16)


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Tempts?
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)


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Judas died how?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)


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Ascend to heaven
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)


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What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?
Before the cock crow - MAT 26:34

Before the cock crow twice - MAR 14:30


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How many times did the cock crow?
MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.

JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.


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How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount
MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.


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Does every man sin?
1KI 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2CH 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


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Who bought potter's field
ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.


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Who bears guilt?
GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.


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Do you answer a fool?
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.


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How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?
2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:


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How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.


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Marriage?
Proverbs 18:22
1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)

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Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?
ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.


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Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

(various traipsings)


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How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?
1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)
MAT 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)
ACT 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)

MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.


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Judging
1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."


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Good deeds
Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)

Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)


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For or against?
MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(default is against)

MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
(default is for)

LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
(default is for)


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Whom did they see at the tomb?
MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.


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God change?
MAL 3:6
JAS 1:17
1SA 15:29
JON 3:10
GEN 6:6


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Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah)
MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

ZEC 11:11-13 (Note: There is nothing in Jeremiah remotely like this.)


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Who's sepulchers
ACT 7:16
GEN 23:17,18


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Strong drink?
PRO 31:6,7
JOH 2:11-11


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When second coming?
MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

(See also 1TH 4:15-18)


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Solomon's overseers
1KI 9:23 550
2CH 8:10 250


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The mother of Abijah:
2CH 11:20 Maachah the daughter of Absalom

2CH 13:2 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel


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When did Baasha die?
1KI 16:6-8 26th year of the reign of Asa

2CH 16:1 36th year of the reign of Asa


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How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
2KI 8:26 22

2CH 22:2 42


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The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah.

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What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
MAT 27:28 scarlet

JOH 19:2 purple


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What did they give him to drink?
MAT 27:34 vinegar

MAR 15:23 wine with myrrh


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How long was Jesus in the tomb?
Depends where you look; MAT 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," and MAR 10:34 has "after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again." As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have "after three days," but the post-Resurrection narratives have "on the third day."








So, NO IT DOESN'T.

It's sad that just 'cause you by the sound of it are an evolutionist (i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving ) but all jokes aside without hope you have nothing to live for and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ? no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....
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You could actually have studied the evolution of the eye instead of wondering....but you'd rather stick with a batch of bronze age fables, wouldn't you?
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 07:50:39 PM »
*sigh*

Do these guys/chicks ever get past school?

"People ran around with eyes evolving" (nut shelled)

No, obviously not, what fool would even make the claim?

"Love god or die in hell" (again shelled)

That's nice, i would totally torture people for not loving me, i do it all the time.  &)
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2013, 08:49:54 PM »
i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving

For me, the part that jumps out the most is that run-on sentence.  It almost sounded like he was trying to say that the eye itself made people run into each other.   :o
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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2013, 08:56:28 PM »
It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it , History proves the Bible , Science proves the Bible , Nature proves the bible, and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .

That's the most intelligent thing you can say?   

Has anyone ever told you that you are dim-witted?


... but all jokes aside without hope you have nothing to live for ...

That is your opinion and yours alone.

... and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ?

When Jesus never returns ... for anyone ... at all ... ever.  Absolutely pointless for each person to have hope when nothing ever, ever changes. HOPE doesn't change anything. ACTIONS change everything. Your god is all talk, no action.


... no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being

That statement seems irrelevant, but okay, what do you mean?


... God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....

Giving a "gift" of mandatory worship is not a "gift".

Oh, by the way, your god doesn't exist, but you prefer to live in bliss, so please remain ignorant. Otherwise, you will disappoint me.


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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 09:50:53 AM »
Hi,

Hi.

It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it

Actually, I have.  That was what made me an atheist.  Prior to reading & studying the bible, I was catholic.

History proves the Bible

Nope.  Most of the OT is incorrect from a historical perspective.  Just a couple examples: The hebrews were not enslaved in Egypt, they did not build the pyramids, they did not escape from Egypt, nor did they displace then canaanites.  The hebrews were canaanites from the start.

Science proves the Bible

Nope. Just one example, the earth is not a flat disc with a dome over it holding back a celestial ocean.

Nature proves the bible

? I have no idea what you are even referencing.

and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .

That is called circular logic, boot-strap levitation or a circle jerk.  Take your pick.

(i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving )

The information is out there.  If you were genuinely curious and not some kind of moron, you could find out.  So you are either not genuinely curious or you are some kind of moron.  It is possible you are both.

without hope you have nothing to live for

?  Hope for what?  And who says atheists don't have hope?  It's like you have no idea what we think.  As if you believe everything the church tells you about us.  Pro tip for you: the church often lies about us. 

if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ?

Well, for starters he's 2000 years late.  For second, you may as well ask what is wrong with the hope that Gozor will soon return?  Or the hope that unicorns will return to the world some day and use their magical horns for good.  It is delusional.

no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....

What the flip are you talking about?  Who is taking anyone's choice away?

Kind Regards

yeah, I just don't feel the kindness in your regards.  I feel arrogance and condescention and more than a little self-righteousness.  I don't think jesus H would approve.

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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2013, 10:42:38 AM »
It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it ,
I've read plenty of it.  A better question is, how much of the Bible have you read?

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History proves the Bible ,
Nope.  We're finding that actual historical evidence contradicts tends to contradict the Bible much more often than not.

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Science proves the Bible ,
Of course not.  And you know it, because of your attempt to decry evolution.

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Nature proves the bible,
I assume by this you mean the typical belief that nature shows 'design' (in actual point of fact, patterns) and thus God?  It's true that you get patterns in nature - but even pure randomness generates patterns.  If you don't believe me, roll two six-sided dice a hundred times and see whether you get more results in the middle (6,7,8,9) as opposed to outliers (2,3,11,12).  The tendency of dice to come up with the middle numbers is a pattern, but one that in no way implies design or a designer.  Nature is the same way.

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and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible .
This is circular reasoning, and it doesn't prove anything.

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It's sad that just 'cause you by the sound of it are an evolutionist
Just what is an 'evolutionist'?  I hear this word a lot from religious believers, but I think they use it to mean something different than what the word itself implies.  It's true that I consider the theory of evolution to be probably true, because it fits the evidence, but I'm not wedded to it in the way 'evolutionist' seems to imply.

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(i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving )
Eyes evolved long before humans ever came on the scene, so your joke doesn't work.

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but all jokes aside without hope you have nothing to live for and if people have hope in the soon return of Jesus what's wrong with that ? no one has the right to take the freedom of liberty from another human being God (our creator) gave everyone the gift of choice.....
What's wrong with it is that it's false hope.  Believing in a lie just to have something to hope for interferes with having hope in real things that actually exist.  If you believe in an afterlife, or the return of Jesus, you're more likely to just keep doing things the way you've always done them, instead of trying to make meaningful change to improve your life.  In other words, that kind of false hope only serves to help you rationalize doing things the way you've always done them.

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Re: just a question ? [#2764]
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2013, 07:47:12 PM »
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It's obvious you have never read the Bible and studied it

I have read the bible.  Well, most of the OT and the relevant "Jesus stuff" of the NT.  Studied it though?  Egads why would anyone want to do that?!  I can think of a long list of more entertaining things to do than study the Bible.  #1 is watching paint dry.

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Science proves the Bible

Please.

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Nature proves the bible

Again, please.

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and the BEST of all is the Bible  .............PROVES the Bible



Just... no.

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It's sad that just 'cause you by the sound of it are an evolutionist (i've always wondered about the human eye evolving people running into each other as their eyes were evolving )

Trust me, you couldn't handle a formal education about evolution.
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