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Offline Hatter23

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I just have to get this off my chest
« on: October 01, 2013, 09:44:43 AM »
There's this fellow I used to live with, been friends with, part of the Goth community and the Renfaire Community.

He is, unfortunately a Tea Party member

However his Facebook post yesterday was so full of cognitive dissonance I couldn't even reply to it. It was how the Tea party had fought so hard to prevent the government shutdown.

AAAUUNNNNGNGGHGHGHGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 09:53:35 AM »
The Tea Party provoked the government shut down by buying into the "austerity means more revenue" argument, and then insisted that it had to be their way or no way.  Given how well shutting the government down went for the Republicans last time, I expect this will ultimately lead down the same path.
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 01:02:25 PM »
Literally nothing in the OP computes.  I'm not convinced it isn't a Mad-Lib.

The only part of it that made sense to me was, "AAAUUNNNNGNGGHGHGHGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 01:05:22 PM »
Wow, from Goth to Teaparty...that is a leap of faith.

It was reported yesterday that several republican congressmen were giddy because of the gov shutdown.  That sure sounds like someone working to avoid it.
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 01:07:45 PM »
Wow, from Goth to Teaparty...that is a leap of faith.

It was reported yesterday that several republican congressmen were giddy because of the gov shutdown.  That sure sounds like someone working to avoid it.

Rachel Maddow, on her show, showed Republican congressman/women coming out and voicing their happiness over it.

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 01:12:55 PM »
I've seen several tweets commenting that the tweeter (twit?) could smell alcohol on the breaths of a significant portion of congresscritters. Like, half of them.
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 01:18:10 PM »
They think by blaming Obama and the Democrats is going to work, they're wrong. I mean, it may work for their idiotic doomsday base but not everyone else.

Sadly, though, in two years people will regain their amnesia.

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 02:07:02 PM »
I've seen several tweets commenting that the tweeter (twit?) could smell alcohol on the breaths of a significant portion of congresscritters. Like, half of them.

I hope the lot of them all down a few scoth and murky waters (that's a Ted Kennedy, barkeep) and park in the river. Good riddance
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 02:56:59 PM »
Did you see several of them at the WW2 memorial to help take down the gate so WW@ vets from Mississippi could get in.  The very ones that caused this were out for a photo op because it was closed.
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 03:11:05 PM »
First of all, I would hate being a righteous prick. My talents are few as it is. I'd hate that to be the only thing I was good at.

Two, I think these guys are hoping that when all of this comes back to bite them in the ass, that they aren't there. Wherever that is. Though they still want to be in congress. And since they get to draw the district lines, they probably will be.

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 04:59:51 PM »
The Tea Party provoked the government shut down by buying into the "austerity means more revenue" argument, and then insisted that it had to be their way or no way.  Given how well shutting the government down went for the Republicans last time, I expect this will ultimately lead down the same path.

But ooops.  There was a little error in the austerity spreadsheet.

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 06:10:38 PM »
First of all, I would hate being a righteous prick. My talents are few as it is. I'd hate that to be the only thing I was good at.

Two, I think these guys are hoping that when all of this comes back to bite them in the ass, that they aren't there. Wherever that is. Though they still want to be in congress. And since they get to draw the district lines, they probably will be.

When everything is wrong, its hard to come up with a strategy to fix things. There is no place to start.



Redrawing district lines doesn't always work in one's favor, such as in my state when they redrew lines it got Alan Grayson (far-left) back in the house.

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 08:01:06 AM »
Grayson's not far left.  He's pure awesome.
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 08:03:27 AM »
Grayson's not far left.  He's pure awesome.

He's far-left. Not saying it's a bad thing, especially in Florida.

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 08:42:33 AM »
No.  There is no far-left in the US anymore.  There is center-left.  But there is no far-left.  Far-left would be advocating things like single payer health insurance, government sponsored day care, paying women salaries for being mothers, actual gun control, actual socialism, etc.  All that stuff Europe and Scandanavia have.  None of which is seriously considered here, and only mentioned as amazing curiosities. 

He's outspoken, bombastic and progressive, but he ain't far-left.
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they tend to identify his party affiliation less than where he is on the left-right spectrum
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 11:56:33 AM »
Rachel Maddow, on her show, showed Republican congressman/women coming out and voicing their happiness over it.

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I saw that segment.  She builds a pretty compelling case.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/#53151808

In case you can't watch the video, it's Maddow showing a compilation of Republicans and TeaPublicans campaigning on the shutdown itself, frequently paired with significant applause from their attendees.  She shows several of them coming out of the pre shutdown meeting jubilant and saying they got the shutdown they wanted.

This paired with the recent rhetoric coming out of Washington, and from various Republican and TeaPublicans leads me to agree with it.

Here is a HuffingtonPost article about them discussing the messaging of this mess rather than the mess itself.

My own observation is that we're watching the Overton Window in play at the moment.

The way the Overton Window works is that when you are asking for is unreasonable, you demand the outrageously absurd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

In *comparison* this makes your unreasonable demands look acceptable.
This is what they're doing. It's what they've been doing for a long time.

It's been driving the entire political discourse to the right, and is the perfect technique to use on someone like President Obama, who's entire doctrine consists of a stated desire for people to work out their differences through compromise. The problem is, when one party is reasonable and the other is not, the one that isn't drives the conversation in their direction.

The only real way to deal with this tactic is through hardball politics.  "You want to negotiate, here how about National Health are, kill they Keystone, up taxes on the 1% by a lot, change the capital gains structure, and fully paid childcare and pre-school."  Essentially using the same tactic.

What the Democratic party is doing at the moment is a half measure, it's working at the moment because it's stupidly obvious this is the Republican's fault. The Republicans are pushing back, and pushing hard on that message. They're trying to make their new 'merely unreasonable' demands look better by comparison to the original gift package of Romney's presidential promise package that they demanded on the eve of the shutdown.



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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 07:26:16 AM »
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-rep-confronts-park-service-ranger-at-wwii-memorial-you-ought-to-be-ashamed/

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On Wednesday afternoon at the Word War II Memorial in Washington, D.C., Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX) confronted a female U.S. Park Service Ranger as she was preventing non-veteran tourists from entering the temporarily-closed park due to this week’s government shutdown.

After the incident, Vice President Joe Biden called the Park Ranger to tell her he was proud of her.  Neugebauer's congressional website "suddenly" only allows input from people in his district.  It would be nice if 30 million Americans suddenly live in Snyder, Texas.  I now do.





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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2013, 10:02:46 AM »
A simple, "I'm here doing my job, sir, what are you doing?" would suffice.  :)

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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2013, 12:18:50 PM »

"Can I burn down your house?"

"No."

"How about just the second floor?"

"No."

"Just the living room?"

"No."

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2013, 12:25:28 PM »

"Can I burn down your house?"

"No."

"How about just the second floor?"

"No."

"Just the living room?"

"No."

"WHY WON'T YOU NEGOTIATE???"

I propose an solution.

How about half the basement and a single couch?
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2013, 12:55:46 PM »
An old saying from my hood

If you don't know which house it is, burn down the whole f'in block.
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Re: I just have to get this off my chest
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2013, 12:56:34 PM »
some linky-poos on the current gop inflicted nightmare.

Charles Pierce on Reaganism, sabotage and political terrorism.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/molly-ball-heritage-foundation-article-093013

Another poll indicates a significant portion of republican voters are either clinically insane or complete morons.  (morans?) http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-large-number-of-republicans-believe-conspiracy-theories-on-guns-sharia-law

Pierce on that 
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/public-policy-polling-examines-the-republicans-100213

The dividing of America 
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/two-nations-under-mammon/

I read the Douthat piece first.  Douthat is usually a milquetoast anus, but his essay was decent.  This is a good compliment to it.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/blame-the-bush-era-for-current-republican-dysfunction/

I like Pierce’s prose in this one.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Endless_Victimhood
Plus, he’s spot on.  Repub persecution complex is strongly tied to xian persecution complex and probably derives from the same place.  You see, jesus H and the apostles were persecuted.  And jesus H also said xians would be persecuted, hated and spat on, etc.  As a result, many modern xians actually *want* this kind of abuse, because it validates their stupid beliefs and makes them feel like they’re “doing it right”.  Where they go wrong is finding offense and oppression in the most preposterous places.  “you are being intolerant of my intolerance!  Oppressor!”  Makes them sound like a bunch of whiney crybabies, which they are.

Another by pierce.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues

Good piece on the gop skullduggery. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/house-gops-legislative-strike.html
They *planned* this back in January.

"We're not going to be disrespected, We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."   http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-stands-firm-against-funding-bill-will-link-to-debt-ceiling-fight/article/2536750
I don’t think they should be disrespected.  I think they should be set on fire.

I think that’s^ it though.  They’ve painted themselves into a corner and doing the right thing will be embarrassing.  So they persist.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/fighting-for-the-sake-of-fighting/

An actual study of the gop base.
http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/954/dcor%20rpp%20fg%20memo%20100313%20final.pdf
Essentially, terrified idiots with very little in common besides a mutual hatred of Obama and government. 

(notice how many of these are from The American Conservative.  Actual conservative thinkers, not hacks hired by Rover or the Kochs.)
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