Your assumptions about Christians and your justification for it implies you have heard ALL Christians make ALL illogical or delusional arguments. It would be more precise to say the Christians you have encountered have not given you any logical or non-delusional arguments to believe in God.
I'll readily admit that I'm extrapolating a bit. But, from my perspective, Christianity has had, what, at least 50 generations worth of people talking about the existence of god and all of those claims and arguments seem to fall under the illogical category for me. I don't think it's too
big of a stretch to extrapolate to a generality there.
Fact: The universe had a beginning. It is more probable or logical to think someone or something outside the universe caused its beginning then to think it just spontaneously began...that nothing can produce something. No field of science would deny the Law of Causality except physicists when it comes to the issue of cosmology.The universe had a beginning
: Yes, I'll agree to that, assuming that 'universe' and 'sum total of reality' are not necessarily the same thing. The evidence certainly points to that.It is more probable or logical to think someone
: This requires some justification. Use of the word 'someone' sneaks in a hell of a lot of baggage
into the claim.or something outside the universe caused its beginning then to think it just spontaneously began
: Disregarding the 'someone' aspect, I'd be inclined to agree with you - well, at least it intuitively makes sense so I won't readily dismiss this.No field of science would deny the Law of Causality except physicists when it comes to the issue of cosmology.
: Well, nuclear physicists tend to have to deny causality to some degree. Radioactive decay and what not. But you can't really have a problem with denying causality, can you? What caused god?
"Well, god has no cause. He did not begin
to exist. He has just always existed."
Of course that
doesn't really work. One has just as much evidence and data to suggest that the sum total of reality
did not begin to exist. The sum total of reality
has just always existed. Unless you've got something to suggest that the sum total of reality
had a beginning of some kind. If you want to claim that the beginning of the universe is synonymous with the beginning of reality, then you've shot yourself in the epistemological foot as you've just placed god outside of reality - making him 'not real'.
But for simplicity I'll just go ahead and concede that 'the sum total of reality' had a beginning. At this point, all that has been established is that 'something' caused reality to exist. There is still a pretty large gap to cross from this 'something' to 'omnipotent, omniscient, all-loving entity that has involvement with humanity'.