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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2013, 07:15:19 AM »
I would define what I call the cosmic consciousness as a consolidation of many human minds.

That is what I found but almost any other description I would add is speculation as it is impossible to describe it from inside it. It would be like blindfolding you, putting you into a house and asking you to describe the outside of that house without ever seeing it.

I did look at how wiki and others defined it in the past but cannot agree with much of it as some looks speculative or unknowable to me.

Imagine yourself on the phone and suddenly you recognize that you have somehow patched into what we used to call a party line. However you would describe that party line is my basic definition of a cosmic consciousness.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2013, 08:26:37 AM »
I would define what I call the cosmic consciousness as a consolidation of many human minds.

That is what I found but almost any other description I would add is speculation as it is impossible to describe it from inside it. It would be like blindfolding you, putting you into a house and asking you to describe the outside of that house without ever seeing it.
But you could always try some other senses to describe the house.  You could feel around to see if it were large or small, determine the texture of the exterior, determine if it has a porch, etc.  You could throw things at it to listen to if the house is north of you or south of you.  You could smell the house to determine if it is moldy.
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I did look at how wiki and others defined it in the past but cannot agree with much of it as some looks speculative or unknowable to me.

Imagine yourself on the phone and suddenly you recognize that you have somehow patched into what we used to call a party line. However you would describe that party line is my basic definition of a cosmic consciousness.

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DL
Well the way I'd describe being patched into a party line would be that, in the midst of what I thought was a one-to-one conversation, I begin to hear multiple other conversations that have no bearing to my current conversation.  I don't suspect that you claim to hear voices; well, I guess I may as well ask - do you?  Or what is it that you "hear"?  Is it more like a sensation of other peoples' thoughts?

Does your belief share anything in common with the concepts found in the Global Consciousness Project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_consciousness
http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_01.pdf
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2013, 08:28:11 AM »
I am here to give facts. Not analyse them to death. I am a generalist and not a specialist.

1. If your facts are in dispute, I would think you would want to discuss them.
2. that sounds discouragingly like you are just here to preach to us.  Please don't preach.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2013, 08:29:51 AM »
I would define what I call the cosmic consciousness as a consolidation of many human minds.

That is what I found but almost any other description I would add is speculation as it is impossible to describe it from inside it. It would be like blindfolding you, putting you into a house and asking you to describe the outside of that house without ever seeing it.

I did look at how wiki and others defined it in the past but cannot agree with much of it as some looks speculative or unknowable to me.

Imagine yourself on the phone and suddenly you recognize that you have somehow patched into what we used to call a party line. However you would describe that party line is my basic definition of a cosmic consciousness.

Regards
DL

Does anyone have access to this party line on demand.  Because they would be up for the million dollar prize from several skeptic societies.  To date I have not seen anything Psychic, telekinetic, telepathic, or supernatural.  No one seems to be able to do these things under scientific scrutiny.  What makes you feel your telepathic experience indicates more than an ability two people in close proximity to each other to share feelings.  What makes you feel that the entire human population is in some sort of giant group consciousness?

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #91 on: September 24, 2013, 08:29:59 AM »
I've got no interest in how any others define it, just how you do it.  And I'm afraid that all I'm seeing at the moment is "cop out".

"consolidation of many human minds"...."party line".  What do you mean?  Do you mean that you could hear thoughts of 6 billion people?  That you "felt" 6 billion people?  What?

Is the "cosmic consciousness" anything more than the sum of its parts?  Are we constantly/occasionally "dialling in" to it when we have ideas, for example? 

The house analogy is very poor.  You HAVE "seen the outside", so to speak.  So come on, have a stab at it.  YOU know what you mean when you speak of it, so have a go at putting it into words.  We'll let you take it slowly - just stop dressing it up in all the woo.
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #92 on: September 24, 2013, 08:49:21 AM »
I would define what I call the cosmic consciousness as a consolidation of many human minds.

That is what I found but almost any other description I would add is speculation as it is impossible to describe it from inside it. It would be like blindfolding you, putting you into a house and asking you to describe the outside of that house without ever seeing it.
But you could always try some other senses to describe the house.  You could feel around to see if it were large or small, determine the texture of the exterior, determine if it has a porch, etc.  You could throw things at it to listen to if the house is north of you or south of you.  You could smell the house to determine if it is moldy.
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I did look at how wiki and others defined it in the past but cannot agree with much of it as some looks speculative or unknowable to me.

Imagine yourself on the phone and suddenly you recognize that you have somehow patched into what we used to call a party line. However you would describe that party line is my basic definition of a cosmic consciousness.

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Well the way I'd describe being patched into a party line would be that, in the midst of what I thought was a one-to-one conversation, I begin to hear multiple other conversations that have no bearing to my current conversation.  I don't suspect that you claim to hear voices; well, I guess I may as well ask - do you?  Or what is it that you "hear"?  Is it more like a sensation of other peoples' thoughts?

Does your belief share anything in common with the concepts found in the Global Consciousness Project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_consciousness
http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_01.pdf

If physically in a house, sure one could get some information but if you are in an a room and cannot get to the others, as is my case where I was, then your impressions would be all wrong. That is why anything I say of it is pure and likely wrong speculation.

I guess that there is a bit that I have in common with those links you gave but no more or less that I have in common with Edgar Casey and his Akashic records.

I can't land on any of those theories till one of them proves to be true.

Right now, my best guess would go with that Sudbury lab that speculates that the cosmic consciousness is a part of our magnetic field.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #93 on: September 24, 2013, 08:53:17 AM »
I am here to give facts. Not analyse them to death. I am a generalist and not a specialist.

1. If your facts are in dispute, I would think you would want to discuss them.
2. that sounds discouragingly like you are just here to preach to us.  Please don't preach.

I want to and must discuss from a speculative POV as that is the only way to discuss this since I lack the required proofs to make anything I say not just speculation to the listener.

If the facts I give are disputed, I have to live with it as I cannot refute the dispute.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #94 on: September 24, 2013, 08:58:23 AM »
I would define what I call the cosmic consciousness as a consolidation of many human minds.

That is what I found but almost any other description I would add is speculation as it is impossible to describe it from inside it. It would be like blindfolding you, putting you into a house and asking you to describe the outside of that house without ever seeing it.

I did look at how wiki and others defined it in the past but cannot agree with much of it as some looks speculative or unknowable to me.

Imagine yourself on the phone and suddenly you recognize that you have somehow patched into what we used to call a party line. However you would describe that party line is my basic definition of a cosmic consciousness.

Regards
DL

So basically, cosmic consciousness are just two words stuck together that look as if they might mean something? But they don't.

Anyway, how do we go about consolidating "many human minds"?

I think that if you are honest, you will admit that you have no idea what is going on in your theory and that is because you have violated the law of logic that says, "Just because you don''t understand something, you are not permitted to make things up."
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #95 on: September 24, 2013, 09:11:24 AM »
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I would define what I call the cosmic consciousness as a consolidation of many human minds.

That is what I found but almost any other description I would add is speculation as it is impossible to describe it from inside it. It would be like blindfolding you, putting you into a house and asking you to describe the outside of that house without ever seeing it.

I did look at how wiki and others defined it in the past but cannot agree with much of it as some looks speculative or unknowable to me.

Imagine yourself on the phone and suddenly you recognize that you have somehow patched into what we used to call a party line. However you would describe that party line is my basic definition of a cosmic consciousness.

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DL

Does anyone have access to this party line on demand.

If the conditions I met or produced are met and produced I would say yes. I am just a normal guy.

I would not say on demand though because there may be some cooperation going on between minds, a protocol if you will, so I would say request more than demand. 

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  Because they would be up for the million dollar prize from several skeptic societies.


The Sudbury lab has more proof and ability to replicate telepathy than I think I have. I hope they go for it. This is shown in this link if you have yet to see it. Check at about the 20 min. mark.




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To date I have not seen anything Psychic, telekinetic, telepathic, or supernatural.  No one seems to be able to do these things under scientific scrutiny.


Neither have I except for my own telepathic experiences.

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What makes you feel your telepathic experience indicates more than an ability two people in close proximity to each other to share feelings.


Person to person, and person to a cosmic consciousness is all I claim to be real.

I don't know if a person can do it with multiple living people but it does sound like it would work.

I do not think proximity matters any more than you proximity to the radio station of your choice.

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What makes you feel that the entire human population is in some sort of giant group consciousness?

I did not indicate this and do not think we are. I think we can all access each other but do not think we are all connected all the time or even some of the time. If we were, because of the emotional content of the experience, I do not think we could function as a species or as individuals.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #96 on: September 24, 2013, 09:26:00 AM »
If physically in a house, sure one could get some information but if you are in an a room and cannot get to the others, as is my case where I was, then your impressions would be all wrong. That is why anything I say of it is pure and likely wrong speculation.
So I guess the next question is...how do you know that you're even in a house?  I mean, you think you're in a house...it feels like you're in a house...but do you actually have any other reason to believe that you actually are in a house?
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I guess that there is a bit that I have in common with those links you gave but no more or less that I have in common with Edgar Casey and his Akashic records.

I can't land on any of those theories till one of them proves to be true.

Right now, my best guess would go with that Sudbury lab that speculates that the cosmic consciousness is a part of our magnetic field.

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So...what is it that you have in common with Edgar Casey and the Akashic records?  Like, that you believe there exists an astral plane?  Some level of specificity please.
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2013, 09:27:45 AM »
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I've got no interest in how any others define it, just how you do it.  And I'm afraid that all I'm seeing at the moment is "cop out".

"consolidation of many human minds"...."party line".  What do you mean?  Do you mean that you could hear thoughts of 6 billion people?  That you "felt" 6 billion people?  What?

I had no time to count them. The impression was of many.

All I can do is try to give you an analogy. Let's say you are a P C. You inadvertently wirelessly connect to a mainframe that contains many other P C programs/entities that are all interacting and accessing each others programs as well as the original mainframe program.

How much do you think you will glean in about 6 seconds?

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Is the "cosmic consciousness" anything more than the sum of its parts?


I do not think so.


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Are we constantly/occasionally "dialling in" to it when we have ideas, for example?
 

I don't know.

I do know that occasionally, before that particular experience, I would wake up with a word in mind that I would have to go to a dictionary to get the definition of because it was a word I did not recognize. That is the closest I have come to anything else that I cannot fully explain. I have never attributed that to the cosmic consciousness and just thought that my subconscious mind might have just picket it up somewhere. 

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The house analogy is very poor.  You HAVE "seen the outside", so to speak.  So come on, have a stab at it.  YOU know what you mean when you speak of it, so have a go at putting it into words.  We'll let you take it slowly - just stop dressing it up in all the woo.

I have been saying that there is no woo involved but seems that you just do not want to listen.

Look above at the mainframe analogy but realize that I was inside and not outside.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2013, 09:36:46 AM »
I have been saying that there is no woo involved but seems that you just do not want to listen.
And I've been saying that my bottle of pig's blood is 100% vegan.
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« Reply #99 on: September 24, 2013, 09:37:36 AM »
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I would define what I call the cosmic consciousness as a consolidation of many human minds.

That is what I found but almost any other description I would add is speculation as it is impossible to describe it from inside it. It would be like blindfolding you, putting you into a house and asking you to describe the outside of that house without ever seeing it.

I did look at how wiki and others defined it in the past but cannot agree with much of it as some looks speculative or unknowable to me.

Imagine yourself on the phone and suddenly you recognize that you have somehow patched into what we used to call a party line. However you would describe that party line is my basic definition of a cosmic consciousness.

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DL

So basically, cosmic consciousness are just two words stuck together that look as if they might mean something? But they don't.

Anyway, how do we go about consolidating "many human minds"?


The internet or any group of people communicating does just that at the superficial level and that is the only level we can reach from our usual conscious state.

As to how the cosmic consciousness does it, I don't know.

I speculate that it does not know either any more than any living entity knows how it's own consciousness began.

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I think that if you are honest, you will admit that you have no idea what is going on in your theory


I have admitted to not having proof of anything in my theory.

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and that is because you have violated the law of logic that says, "Just because you don''t understand something, you are not permitted to make things up."

Sure we are as long as we know it is made up. Many myths and allegory etc. help people finish theories or show some information or moral position is a simple way.

Don't you remember Mother Goose?

Knowing fantasy from reality is all the theorist has to remember.

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« Reply #100 on: September 24, 2013, 09:54:39 AM »
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If physically in a house, sure one could get some information but if you are in an a room and cannot get to the others, as is my case where I was, then your impressions would be all wrong. That is why anything I say of it is pure and likely wrong speculation.
So I guess the next question is...how do you know that you're even in a house?  I mean, you think you're in a house...it feels like you're in a house...but do you actually have any other reason to believe that you actually are in a house?

Just that I am nowhere else.
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I guess that there is a bit that I have in common with those links you gave but no more or less that I have in common with Edgar Casey and his Akashic records.

I can't land on any of those theories till one of them proves to be true.

Right now, my best guess would go with that Sudbury lab that speculates that the cosmic consciousness is a part of our magnetic field.

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So...what is it that you have in common with Edgar Casey and the Akashic records?  Like, that you believe there exists an astral plane?  Some level of specificity please.

Just that I claim to have found a source of information that most have yet to find and the words Ashikic record might be connected to it. Pure speculation that.

An astral plane is usually associated with religions and God and I do not see the cosmic consciousness as having anything to do with God or religion in other than it may have been what the shaman found and wrongly gave it attributes that it does not have. That or it is a lot more than what I saw/felt. I did get an impression, just an impression, that it was pondering or seeking further information on God but that it was not a huge priority or the main focus of it's thoughts. It definitely did not believe in the supernatural as it confirmed my paradigm and it does not contain anything supernatural.

I came away from the whole thing thinking of God, the word God that is, as just the best set of rules to live by.

I do not know if that came from my own thinking or that of the cosmic consciousness. It is possible that it is not looking at all for a God as we think of God and is just into philosophy as opposed to what we call theology.

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« Reply #101 on: September 24, 2013, 03:20:10 PM »
Just that I claim to have found a source of information that most have yet to find and the words Akashic record might be connected to it. Pure speculation that.
Presumably you can make the claim that you've discovered some 'source of information' because you've extracted some manner of information from this source.  Care to elaborate on what some of that information is?

I don't understand what relationship your source of information has to the Akashic record, outside of you simply saying that it is sorta/kinda like the Akashic record or it fills in the same kind purpose as the Akashic record.  If you could provide any more detail here that would be helpful.
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An astral plane is usually associated with religions and God and I do not see the cosmic consciousness as having anything to do with God or religion in other than it may have been what the shaman found and wrongly gave it attributes that it does not have. That or it is a lot more than what I saw/felt. I did get an impression, just an impression, that it was pondering or seeking further information on God but that it was not a huge priority or the main focus of it's thoughts. It definitely did not believe in the supernatural as it confirmed my paradigm and it does not contain anything supernatural.
So...'it'.  Are you referring to 'the cosmic consciousness'?  If that's the case, are you saying that you think 'the cosmic consciousness' is a sentient (i.e. willful) entity of some kind?  Words like 'pondering' and 'seeking' seem to indicate such a belief.
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I came away from the whole thing thinking of God, the word God that is, as just the best set of rules to live by.

I do not know if that came from my own thinking or that of the cosmic consciousness. It is possible that it is not looking at all for a God as we think of God and is just into philosophy as opposed to what we call theology.

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Again, is this 'it' 'the cosmic consciousness'?
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« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2013, 02:35:15 AM »
I have been saying that there is no woo involved but seems that you just do not want to listen.

Sure I don't.

"There is a cosmic consciousness that I believe I connected to for a few seconds a few years back when I got the impression of loads of minds!  I can't tell you anything about it but I appear to have built a whole philosophy on it - certainly I reference it in every conversation I have on this forum.  No, no evidence for any of it at all apart from the tiny 'experience' that I cannot replicate or adequately explain".

No woo, no indeed.  Definite science, backed up by evidence.  Sorry I got that so wrong.
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« Reply #103 on: September 25, 2013, 02:38:58 AM »
.....I do not see the cosmic consciousness as having anything to do with God or religion in other than it may have been what the shaman found and wrongly gave it attributes that it does not have. That or it is a lot more than what I saw/felt. I did get an impression, just an impression, that it was pondering or seeking further information on God but that it was not a huge priority or the main focus of it's thoughts. It definitely did not believe in the supernatural as it confirmed my paradigm and it does not contain anything supernatural.

I had no time to count them. The impression was of many.....How much do you think you will glean in about 6 seconds?

Amazing how definite GIA can be on some question, when on others he prefers the "it was all so quick I have no idea" response.  But it's not woo.  We know its not woo as GIA has told us it isn't woo.  The cosmic consciousness isn't woo either, the cosmic consciousness doesn't even believe in woo.
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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« Reply #104 on: September 25, 2013, 08:53:03 AM »
Just that I claim to have found a source of information that most have yet to find and the words Akashic record might be connected to it. Pure speculation that.
Presumably you can make the claim that you've discovered some 'source of information' because you've extracted some manner of information from this source.  Care to elaborate on what some of that information is?

I don't understand what relationship your source of information has to the Akashic record, outside of you simply saying that it is sorta/kinda like the Akashic record or it fills in the same kind purpose as the Akashic record.  If you could provide any more detail here that would be helpful.
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An astral plane is usually associated with religions and God and I do not see the cosmic consciousness as having anything to do with God or religion in other than it may have been what the shaman found and wrongly gave it attributes that it does not have. That or it is a lot more than what I saw/felt. I did get an impression, just an impression, that it was pondering or seeking further information on God but that it was not a huge priority or the main focus of it's thoughts. It definitely did not believe in the supernatural as it confirmed my paradigm and it does not contain anything supernatural.
So...'it'.  Are you referring to 'the cosmic consciousness'?  If that's the case, are you saying that you think 'the cosmic consciousness' is a sentient (i.e. willful) entity of some kind?  Words like 'pondering' and 'seeking' seem to indicate such a belief.
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I came away from the whole thing thinking of God, the word God that is, as just the best set of rules to live by.

I do not know if that came from my own thinking or that of the cosmic consciousness. It is possible that it is not looking at all for a God as we think of God and is just into philosophy as opposed to what we call theology.

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Again, is this 'it' 'the cosmic consciousness'?

Yes. The (it's) are referring to the cosmic consciousness. Must shorter to write.

The only things that I learned from that source other than the fact that it was real was that my basic paradigm for religions and life were on the right path and it chastised me to think more demographically. There was more but I was not able to catch it because as I stated, I was crying through the whole episode.

" If that's the case, are you saying that you think 'the cosmic consciousness' is a sentient (i.e. willful) entity of some kind?'.

It is definitely sentient and aware.

In discussing this, and primarily because of the Sudbury information, the thought did come to mind that what I found was not the remnants of those that had passed on. It is possible that what I found was just other conscious and live minds like mine who just happened to be there at that time. I would have no way of knowing this without one of them stating it and that did not happen not even from me.

This goes against what I gleaned from my experience but I recognize that what I gleaned was speculation that has yet to be confirmed.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #105 on: September 25, 2013, 08:55:40 AM »
I have been saying that there is no woo involved but seems that you just do not want to listen.

Sure I don't.

"There is a cosmic consciousness that I believe I connected to for a few seconds a few years back when I got the impression of loads of minds!  I can't tell you anything about it but I appear to have built a whole philosophy on it - certainly I reference it in every conversation I have on this forum.  No, no evidence for any of it at all apart from the tiny 'experience' that I cannot replicate or adequately explain".

No woo, no indeed.  Definite science, backed up by evidence.  Sorry I got that so wrong.

Is that my words. It does not sound like my pattern or word I usually use?

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #106 on: September 25, 2013, 12:39:13 PM »
Yes. The (it's) are referring to the cosmic consciousness. Must shorter to write.

The only things that I learned from that source other than the fact that it was real was that my basic paradigm for religions and life were on the right path and it chastised me to think more demographically. There was more but I was not able to catch it because as I stated, I was crying through the whole episode.

" If that's the case, are you saying that you think 'the cosmic consciousness' is a sentient (i.e. willful) entity of some kind?'.
That's a bummer.  Basically, 'the cosmic consciousness', in essence, told you (through speech?  Just in internal feeling?) that 'it' is real, and then chastised you to think more demographically.  The latter is somewhat confusing - could you better elaborate what you mean by 'chastised'?  Did it speak to you in an angry voice?  What does 'think more demographically' mean?  Did it explicitly say words like 'think more demographically', or are you extrapolating that information from some 'feeling'?
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It is definitely sentient and aware.
Wonderful!  An actual property of the label 'cosmic consciousness'!  Got any more?
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In discussing this, and primarily because of the Sudbury information, the thought did come to mind that what I found was not the remnants of those that had passed on. It is possible that what I found was just other conscious and live minds like mine who just happened to be there at that time. I would have no way of knowing this without one of them stating it and that did not happen not even from me.
It's also possible that you suffered a temporary psychotic episode.
It's also possible that you had a cognitive hallucination.
It's also possible that you had an extraordinary emotional event, and you've pieced together a rationalization to fit around that emotional event that is completely decoupled from anything real.
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This goes against what I gleaned from my experience but I recognize that what I gleaned was speculation that has yet to be confirmed.
Fair enough.

Sure I don't.

"There is a cosmic consciousness that I believe I connected to for a few seconds a few years back when I got the impression of loads of minds!  I can't tell you anything about it but I appear to have built a whole philosophy on it - certainly I reference it in every conversation I have on this forum.  No, no evidence for any of it at all apart from the tiny 'experience' that I cannot replicate or adequately explain".

No woo, no indeed.  Definite science, backed up by evidence.  Sorry I got that so wrong.

Is that my words. It does not sound like my pattern or word I usually use?

It's called paraphrasing, though with a particularly sarcastic tone.  The tone and the words are different, but is the content?  If so, please elaborate on what Anfauglir has incorrect.
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #107 on: September 25, 2013, 06:23:57 PM »
" I appear to have built a whole philosophy on it"

This is garbage. I mostly ignore what I found, raised my bar of expectation and morality and seek anew.

I am continually trying to improve my theology and philosophy. If not, I would just be another idol worshiper.

I am surprised that you could not dither out that it was sentient when telepathy is what we were talking about.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #108 on: September 26, 2013, 03:20:23 AM »
I am surprised that you could not dither out that it was sentient when telepathy is what we were talking about.

Possibly because you said:

Is the "cosmic consciousness" anything more than the sum of its parts?

I do not think so.

And yet now you say:

It is definitely sentient and aware.

This is the problem, DL, and why I and others have been pushing you for a coherent and detailed explanation of just what the hell it is you DO believe, because (just like normal woo-believers do) your statement appear to shift and mutate depending on what facet you are trying to defend at the current time.

As I said before, I also find it intriguing how you can switch from only getting a glimpse, and being unable to describe it in any way, to being able to make such definite statements.  Again, I call to mind the theists who are simultaneously positive about Yahweh's desires on minutiae of life, yet in the next breath claim how ineffable and unknowable it all is.

You're not saying anything new - scratch that, you're not saying anything at all, so far as I can see.  Just spouting a whole load of woo that you are unwilling and/or unable to back up.  Or indeed keep straight.
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
Why is it so hard for believers to answer a direct question?

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #109 on: September 26, 2013, 09:42:50 AM »
To answer the topic question bluntly.
Yes.
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #110 on: September 26, 2013, 04:27:07 PM »
I am surprised that you could not dither out that it was sentient when telepathy is what we were talking about.

Possibly because you said:

Is the "cosmic consciousness" anything more than the sum of its parts?

I do not think so.

And yet now you say:

It is definitely sentient and aware.

This is the problem, DL, and why I and others have been pushing you for a coherent and detailed explanation of just what the hell it is you DO believe, because (just like normal woo-believers do) your statement appear to shift and mutate depending on what facet you are trying to defend at the current time.

As I said before, I also find it intriguing how you can switch from only getting a glimpse, and being unable to describe it in any way, to being able to make such definite statements.  Again, I call to mind the theists who are simultaneously positive about Yahweh's desires on minutiae of life, yet in the next breath claim how ineffable and unknowable it all is.

You're not saying anything new - scratch that, you're not saying anything at all, so far as I can see.  Just spouting a whole load of woo that you are unwilling and/or unable to back up.  Or indeed keep straight.

I see no conflict or error in my response and think you are looking for some and just want to whine.

You are right that we are getting nowhere and it is not my language or answers.

I think were done here.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #111 on: September 26, 2013, 04:28:18 PM »
To answer the topic question bluntly.
Yes.

Simple and precise. Nice.

I agree.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #112 on: September 27, 2013, 03:26:15 AM »
Is the "cosmic consciousness" anything more than the sum of its parts?

I do not think so.
But:
It is definitely sentient and aware.


I see no conflict or error in my response and think you are looking for some and just want to whine.

You are right that we are getting nowhere and it is not my language or answers.
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Sorry to "whine", but how can the CC be "sentient and aware", if it is NOT more than the sum of its parts?

To draw an analogy: it appears that you are saying something comparable to "the internet is sentient and aware".  And I'm not sure how that would gel with "the internet is no more than the sum of its parts".
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #113 on: September 27, 2013, 10:17:19 AM »
All of it's parts are individually aware so we can say that it is aware but that does not make it more than the sum of it's parts. I guess we could say that the more minds you add the brighter the whole gets but at no time can it be brighter than what is there.

What kind of greater than it's sum are you thinking of?
It suddenly growing legs or developing the ability to do the supernatural?

I do not accept your analogy as the internet is not aware of itself. As far as we know.

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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #114 on: September 28, 2013, 12:57:24 AM »
So you are saying then that the Cosmic Con is NOT sentient as an individual entity, is NOT aware of itself as a discrete entity? 

Put a dozen people in a room to talk about an issue, and we could say that "the meeting" has an opinion on something.  But the meeting is not sentient or aware.  You said "the cosmic con is sentient and aware", I'm trying to grasp what you meant by that.
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Re: Does God get a fail in the love category?
« Reply #115 on: September 28, 2013, 08:37:05 AM »
So you are saying then that the Cosmic Con is NOT sentient as an individual entity, is NOT aware of itself as a discrete entity? 

Put a dozen people in a room to talk about an issue, and we could say that "the meeting" has an opinion on something.  But the meeting is not sentient or aware.  You said "the cosmic con is sentient and aware", I'm trying to grasp what you meant by that.

Let me use an analogy for clarity.

You will know that this is all speculation on my part and could easily be all wrong.

In the beginning or birth of the C C,  the first consciousness of the first true man to die, ---- that we will say is a P C in this scenario,  found himself somehow uploaded into the hardware and software of a mainframe computer. The software of the mainframe was blank and the first P C in that reality now becomes the proud owner of the C C/mainframe and becomes the mainframe as there is no one else there to take ownership.

From there, when the second P C to upload joins, merges and or melds with it, --- while still maintaining it's own individuality, they can now both say that in effect, they are the mainframe as they are completely equal. And so on and so on as more P Cs come in.

The mainframe without our consciousness within it is not sentient. With even one of us there it becomes sentient.

If I recognized your exact question, this should be quite clear. I hope.  :)

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