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A good atheist quits giving a shit
« on: September 10, 2013, 12:45:02 PM »
I read this fellow atheist Oklahoman's blog on occasion, and I enjoy what he's had to say. I've only been "deconverted" for less than a year, and I can already see exactly what he is talking about.   

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Christian apologetics is a massive, time-sucking exercise designed to make believers feel good about themselves. It's played out, man. It's a failed enterprise. Nobody's mind, on either side of the isle, is being changed at William Lane Craig's pathetically theatrical evangelical shows disguised as academic debates, or by lame apologetics books or by intellectual masturbation masquerading as sophisticated philosophy. Personally, I've had one drawn-out discussion after another with Christians on topics ranging from epistemology to Aquinas' comically awful 'Argument from Motion', and they're not interested in seriously considering another side.

http://www.theaunicornist.com/2013/09/i-dont-really-see-point-of-arguing.html
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a s**t
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 01:31:16 PM »
It does seem that the religious (of all persuasions) are confirmed (pun intended) in their beliefs. You try and convince a Birther that Obama was born in Hawaii - or a 9/11 conspiracist that it really was Al Qaida acting on their own, or, for others that they were not abducted by aliens and anally probed, or that there is no Sasquatch, Yeti, Loch Ness Monster, Corn Circles, Area 51, Chemical Con-trails, etc., etc.

And there is little hope for the future whilst the Kennedy assassination still has nuts attached to it - that was 50 years ago.

I worked in mental health at one time and I remember trying to persuade a woman that a certain brick in her house was exactly the same as the others and did not beam radio messages to her head. I even had the f**king brick removed! It then turned out that I had had the wrong brick removed, despite her having marked the brick and agreed with the workmen that it was the right brick! ("They" had changed the brick during the night... she heard it happening but did not tell anyone "because they would not understand.")

I sincerely believe that after a while of believing this garbage, the neurons of the brain reconnect in a way that their delusion is reality.

In being here, I can only hope that the seeds of doubt will be sown into minds that are not yet terminally deluded.
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a s**t
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 01:57:23 PM »
And there is little hope for the future whilst the Kennedy assassination still has nuts attached to it - that was 50 years ago.
Forget that - there are still people coming up with conspiracy stuff relating to the Lincoln assassination.

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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 07:42:09 PM »
No bad-mouthing about Sasquatch 8) I will not stand for it >:(
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2013, 06:32:08 PM »
Neopagan--Have you ever read Karen Armstrong's A History of God?

It is a great book.  One of the points that she makes is that once Christian theologians and philosophers started trying to "reason" about the existence of God, that is, trying to "prove" god, then skepticism and atheism began to gain ground.  Once people starting thinking, religions started dying.  So apologists are really killing their own religions by making people think.

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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2013, 08:37:37 AM »
Betelnut,
No, I have not read it, but I suddenly got very interested in it when Lee Strobel brought it up in The Case for Christ.[1]  Thanks for the recommendation!
 1. I'm working my way through that drivel and have worn out a couple pencils making notes at the lunacy therein
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2013, 06:52:37 PM »
Betelnut,
No, I have not read it, but I suddenly got very interested in it when Lee Strobel brought it up in The Case for Christ.[1]  Thanks for the recommendation!
 1. I'm working my way through that drivel and have worn out a couple pencils making notes at the lunacy therein

It's very well written and interesting.  Rather academic but still written for the lay person.

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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2013, 07:41:29 PM »
Rather academic but still written for the lay person.

That's why I read it in bed.   ;D

I suspect that only people bad in english will understand that one.
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a s**t
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2013, 09:36:16 PM »
I sincerely believe that after a while of believing this garbage, the neurons of the brain reconnect in a way that their delusion is reality.

Hmmm, interesting; yes, I suspect this is true.

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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2013, 08:04:59 AM »
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
? Adolf Hitler
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a s**t
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2013, 08:21:27 AM »
What I find so damned frustrating is that I *want* to stop arguing, because it seems that this "Type Of Person" has delusions that are impossible to penetrate, and it ain't worth my time.  But some of the delusions are actively dangerous.

I've got a facebook friend who I went to grade school with, who is a hard-line right-wing fundamentalist.  He believes the liberal conspiracy has created junk science to further the global warming scare.  THIS is the kind of thinking that is going to destroy the planet, or at least our civilization.  And I don't want to leave my kids that, you know?

This guy posted a link saying that "the UN climate report got leaked, and it says that global warming isn't really happening."  I then find an article from CNN that reports on the same leaked UN report, but it says the opposite.  His response: "Oh, you found an article claiming global warming is true??  maybe you should find an article about Al Sharpton on your next scavenger hunt..."  Totally missed the point, that his ultra-conservative web site claims one thing, and a nationally recognized news organization claims the exact opposite.  One of them is lying.  Which is more likely??

I later posted a study that examined published climate studies, showing that a HUGE majority (very high 90%) of peer-reviewed published studies are clear that climate change is occurring, and is exacerbated by human activity.  No response yet, probably not forthcoming.
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2013, 08:48:51 AM »
 I just listened to a fundie I work with describe how "silly" someone on some prayer chain she is on sounded when they described how god had intervened by giving them a day off work when "the person had not even asked for it" (even though the person has a rotating schedule that changes days off every week. 
 The fundie then turns around and tells me how people should really focus on how god really intervenes - like when he sends someone to disrupt the efforts of a would be school shooter.  I asked if god might rather have just struck the dude dead or given him a flat tire on the way... but she said, "oh, no then god wouldn't get the glory on CNN."  She said it was nuts when I countered that there would be no CNN if god intervened on our behalf like I described - no crimes, no evil...
 It all makes my head hurt and I end up feeling we are all doomed...
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2013, 11:41:33 AM »
       Taoism    Shit happens.
    Confucianism    Confucius says, shit happens.
        Buddhism    If shit happens, it isn't really shit.
             Zen    What is the sound of shit happening?
        Hinduism    This shit happened before.
           Islam    If shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
   Protestantism    Let shit happen to someone else.
     Catholicism    If shit happens, you deserve it.
         Judaism    Why does this shit always happen to us?
         Atheism    I don't believe this shit.
     Agnosticism    What is this shit?
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a s**t
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2013, 10:22:40 PM »
The term "apologetics" makes me think that they are doing nothing but "apologizing" for their inability to clearly explain their beliefs.

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Re: A good atheist quits giving a shit
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2013, 10:27:26 PM »
       Taoism    Shit happens.
    Confucianism    Confucius says, shit happens.
        Buddhism    If shit happens, it isn't really shit.
             Zen    What is the sound of shit happening?
        Hinduism    This shit happened before.
           Islam    If shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
   Protestantism    Let shit happen to someone else.
     Catholicism    If shit happens, you deserve it.
         Judaism    Why does this shit always happen to us?
         Atheism    I don't believe this shit.
     Agnosticism    What is this shit?

Ignosticism -- until properly defined: I don't give a shit.

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Re: A good atheist quits giving a s**t
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2013, 09:43:08 PM »
The term "apologetics" makes me think that they are doing nothing but "apologizing" for their inability to clearly explain their beliefs.

the existence of apologetics is evidence against the existence of the god the apologists defend.  What deity worth his salt would need one of we human scum to apologize for its inability to communicate?!?!
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Re: A good atheist quits giving a s**t
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2013, 10:40:06 AM »
The term "apologetics" makes me think that they are doing nothing but "apologizing" for their inability to clearly explain their beliefs.

Apologetics: The intellectual process of reconciling the belief in what isn't true, and the fact it isn't true.
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