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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2013, 09:15:22 AM »
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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2013, 11:30:02 AM »
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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2013, 06:56:40 AM »
Caesar adsum jam forte.  Caesar sic in lu.
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2013, 07:09:50 AM »
There was this episode of Inspector Morse where they see a Latin phrase proudly displayed on a pretty wood carving which Morse translates as "At night, put the cat out"
But I can't find it anywhere :(
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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2013, 08:26:32 AM »

Since God, like the theory of evolution or the fact that ancient Egypt existed, is not "testable"


I can think of ways to test all of them.

 Are you just repeating rubbish which you have read or do you really lack the brain power to think for yourself? Try it. There is more than one way to test each of them.
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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2013, 10:26:58 AM »
^^^ cupio ergo deus.   :)
Wow, you know Latin also.  I'm impressed.

You actually knew that was Latin. (I had to google translate it to find out.) I'm also impressed ;D
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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #93 on: September 30, 2013, 10:28:35 AM »
There is more than one way to test each of them.

FF, curious, what's your test for "God"?
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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #94 on: September 30, 2013, 10:33:32 AM »
Since God, like the theory of evolution or the fact that ancient Egypt existed, is not "testable" (because none of these can be reproduced using the scientific method)

This is untrue.  You misunderstand science.  The ToE makes predictions.  Those predictions are testable.  If they turn out to be wrong, the ToE is wrong.  For example, it predicts you will find more primitive fossils deeper in the geologic column and not more advanced ones.  If you were to find a fossil of a human next to one of a trilobite, it would invalidate the ToE.  And we would need another explanation to account for what we observe. 

The same applies to ancient Egypt.  If there were ancient egyptians, then it predicts we would find remains of their civilization.  If we looked for remains where they were expected, then our theory is shot and we need another explanation.

What predictions does the theory of god make that can be tested?   

(because the scientific method is not the only way to gather reliable knowledge and information

Oh really?  What are other methods that are reliable and methodically filter out our biases?  I am not aware of any.



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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #95 on: September 30, 2013, 02:42:01 PM »
The other thing about science is that if a theory is sound, its real-life applications work. That is the "test" that matters to most of us in everyday life.

So we know that the physics of aerodynamics is sound because helicopters and planes fly and don't float off to the moon or randomly fall out of the sky. We know that geology is sound on how old the earth is, because we find coal, petroleum and uranium where the rocks are of the right age, not just in any location.

We know that the TOE is sound because, for example, flu vaccines have to be updated as the flu virus evolves resistance. And chimp DNA is more similar to human DNA than it is to wolf DNA, and all of these have DNA more similar to each other than to earthworm or tulip or mushroom DNA. This is exactly as the theory of evolution predicts.

What theories about religion or god are supported by practical real-life applications?  :?
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2013, 04:38:05 PM »
The other thing about science is that if a theory is sound, its real-life applications work. That is the "test" that matters to most of us in everyday life.

So we know that the physics of aerodynamics is sound because helicopters and planes fly and don't float off to the moon or randomly fall out of the sky. We know that geology is sound on how old the earth is, because we find coal, petroleum and uranium where the rocks are of the right age, not just in any location.

We know that the TOE is sound because, for example, flu vaccines have to be updated as the flu virus evolves resistance. And chimp DNA is more similar to human DNA than it is to wolf DNA, and all of these have DNA more similar to each other than to earthworm or tulip or mushroom DNA. This is exactly as the theory of evolution predicts.

What theories about religion or god are supported by practical real-life applications?  :?

I want to add that with science, it does not matter whether you understand how it works, or are sincere in your belief, or have the right kind of heart (open or soft or whatever). If the theory is sound, the science works.  No "belief" needed. 

Otherwise it would not make sense to vaccinate babies or animals against disease. It would not make sense to use fertilizer or pesticides on plants. Most of us don't understand how our cars, cell phones, cd players or microwaves function. (Hell, I don't even know exactly how this computer works.) But we are still able to use them.

That is another way that science trumps religion. Science works for everyone and everything, under every circumstance. With god, prayer and so forth, you have to: have faith, be humble, open your heart, suspend judgement, believe, be sincere, etc. or it doesn't work.[1] &)
 1. Of course, even then it still doesn't work , but you get my point.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Catholicism [#2759]
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2013, 04:46:20 PM »
Screwtape,

The bible. Hello?

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