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Offline Greatest I am

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Fellow believers. You say you are saved and non-believers go to hell. Well, ----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

You tell those who do not believe as you do, that because of their non-beliefs,  that they are damned to a fate inferior to yours. Hell in fact.

That belief has made believers, non-believers and those of other religions war against each other for all of this time.



I think we should bury the hatchet, soonest.

If the religious system believers like you preached is superior, all you would need do to win world support is have your side walk its talk. You and your friends are not making that effort and we can all see that you are not superior in any way. If you did and showed your worth, our collectively seeing the benefits would give your religion, all the Abrahamic cults that is, the oneness it craves.

Showing your effectiveness is all you need do to silence the non-believers and massively win them over. You have not done so and Secularism is now firmly entrenched in the world.

The Abrahamic cults know that to follow Jesus is impossible so they work to enrich themselves and do not even attempt to end poverty. Jesus’ mission.  Everyone sees this and I have to wonder if the old perverts infesting church hierarchies are worth our resources.

Secularism on the other hand has taken 1 billion souls out of poverty in the last twenty years and forecasts another billion souls being raised in the next twenty years, ---- in spite of the wasted resources of rich religions and various warring political and religious factions.

Myths and fairy tales like the one above are only good if we take the good and recognize why it is good. Judge not is given to indicate that to judge is to put yourself above God.

When you and other believers, me included, say that we are saved and others are not, --- we are putting our judgement into God’s mouth. Shame on us.

To those who speak for God, a God demonstrably based on a myth, I say, regardless of what you call yourself, we are all named in this quote.

See it? See your label?

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

I think the various religions should bury the hatchet. Don't you?

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Regardless of belief in a deity, the whole religion and money and perceived purpose of religion thing makes me wonder how much Joel Osteen makes as a salary and how much time he spends in the slums of Detroit, or the Syrian refugee camps in Jordan - I don't know - do some of these TV evangelists give all their income to charity?  I mean, shouldn't the truly God-powered travel where no man has gone before - where people are afraid to go?
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Regardless of belief in a deity, the whole religion and money and perceived purpose of religion thing makes me wonder how much Joel Osteen makes as a salary and how much time he spends in the slums of Detroit, or the Syrian refugee camps in Jordan - I don't know - do some of these TV evangelists give all their income to charity?  I mean, shouldn't the truly God-powered travel where no man has gone before - where people are afraid to go?

One cannot expect religions to walk their talk.

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As long as their is cash to be made fleecing the sheep,,,,they will NEVER walk their talk
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As long as their is cash to be made fleecing the sheep,,,,they will NEVER walk their talk

You may be right as to the religious hierarchies.

If lucky, we might see believers force policy.

It does not look good for such a revolt though. I understand the Anglican rank and file voted heavily for female Bishops yet the churches hierarchy shut them out. I understand many changed to Catholicism over it but why they would go to a church that is even more against women than they are is beyond me.

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As long as their is cash to be made fleecing the sheep,,,,they will NEVER walk their talk

Fleece and butcher and ----

http://imgur.com/a/90sTN

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