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What Exactly Is Creation Science
« on: August 23, 2013, 03:44:59 PM »
Is it intended to be a means by which the biblical creation narrative can be given some measure of veracity or is it at its core a more objective real type of science that uses evidence to support the hypothesis that the physical universe and life within it appeared suddenly and have not changed substantially since appearing?

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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2013, 03:59:49 PM »
God did it in 7 days and it is only 10,000 years old.  The end.
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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2013, 04:01:06 PM »
The former, as far as I can tell.  It's not about trying to discover the truth, it's about making things up so as to validate the Biblical narrative.

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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2013, 04:19:05 PM »
I vote the former.

It's "scientists" are either pastors who dabble in pseudo-science or pseudo-scientists who dabble in preaching.  Their peer reviewers are church attendees, religious conference goers, and homeschool science textbooks. 
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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2013, 06:06:05 PM »
The former. It's just religious apologetics attempting to use the success of science to get the same degree of acceptance. While there may be theists who genuinely believe the scientific method confirms their Self Projection As God (SPAG), even a cursory look at the evidence shows otherwise. Which is why most dedicated believers prefer not to look very far in that direction, or at all.
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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 12:28:59 AM »
^In other words, it's an attempt to draw the interest of people who respect and admire science and scientists into giving their religious beliefs the same respect.

Doesn't tend to work very well, though.

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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2013, 12:34:37 AM »
yep, a big sales pitch. mainly to the least informed and least curious buyers
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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013, 12:35:43 AM »
"Creation Science" often refers to old-school young-earth scientific creationism, the primary organizations for which are the Institute for Creation Research and the Creation Research Society. That their purposes are religious rather than scientific is evident in their own tenets/belief statements.

An excerpt from the ICR's tenets: (http://www.icr.org/tenets)
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All things in the universe were created and made by God in the six literal days of the Creation Week described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. The creation record is factual, historical, and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or development that involve evolution in any form are false. All things that now exist are sustained and ordered by God's providential care. However, a part of the spiritual creation, Satan and his angels, rebelled against God after the creation and are attempting to thwart His divine purposes in creation.

An excerpt from the CRS's Statement of Belief: (http://www.creationresearch.org/stmnt_of_belief.htm)
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The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.

Leaving aside the obvious religious nature of these statements, requiring a commitment in advance to any conclusion, rather than following where the evidence leads, is fundamentally incompatible with science. Thus, these are clearly not scientific organizations, despite their pretense.

Likely due to the failure of old-school Creation Science to sneak creationism into U.S. public school science classrooms, we now have a new, more "sciency", version of Creation Science called "Intelligent Design". This is primarily promoted by an organization called Discovery Institute, which, like the older ICR and CRS, also parades as a scientific research and education organization. Though the Discovery Institute has avoided overtly religious references in its literature, replacing "creator" with "intelligent designer", for example, and though it does not espouse the biblical literalism of old-school Creation Science, and accepts the fact of an old earth and even some limited evolution (so called "micro evolution"), its primarily religious nature is still apparent in its own statements about its mission and philosophy.

An excerpt from the Discovery Institute's "about" page: (http://www.discovery.org/about.php)
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Science and Culture. Scientific research and experimentation have produced staggering advances in our knowledge about the natural world, but they have also led to increasing abuse of science as the so-called “new atheists” have enlisted science to promote a materialistic worldview, to deny human freedom and dignity and to smother free inquiry. Our Center for Science and Culture works to defend free inquiry. It also seeks to counter the materialistic interpretation of science by demonstrating that life and the universe are the products of intelligent design and by challenging the materialistic conception of a self-existent, self-organizing universe and the Darwinian view that life developed through a blind and purposeless process.

Again we see an up-front commitment to a religious conclusion. DI's about page also reveals that this organization may be more about promoting religious right political ideology in general than promoting creationism specifically. What it is clearly NOT promoting, however, is science.
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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013, 08:20:15 AM »
nice breakdown... of a sales pitch.  Thanks for the background
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Re: What Exactly Is Creation Science
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013, 08:31:02 AM »
It's oxymoronic.[1] Science follows the evidence, regardless of personal biases. Creationism does not.
 1. And it might not even be "oxy".
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