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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2014, 10:19:39 AM »
I absolutely despise the war on drugs.

Me, too. It has screwed up everyday life in many US communities the way the Cold War screwed up people's lives in third world countries. Just like the war against communism created more problems than communism, the war on drugs has created far more problems than the drugs ever did!

Drug use is, at worse, an issue for medical people, counselors and social workers to handle. It should never have been turned into a crime.
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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #88 on: May 30, 2014, 12:40:23 PM »
Drugs were turned into a crime by religious people. Look at those who were against certain drugs in the US in the late to early 20th century. Look at individual counties in the US where certain drugs are legal nationwide but in those places are heavily illegal, and the punishment usually outrageous.

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2014, 03:53:05 PM »
the results of the War on Drugs: militarized police, terrorized citizens, and a toddler with a hole in his chest.
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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After the SWAT team broke down the door, they threw a flashbang grenade inside. It landed in my son’s crib.

follow-up, by CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/30/us/georgia-toddler-injured-stun-grenade-drug-raid/index.html

What gets me is that some people in the comments justify the police action by the fact that the baby's adult cousin (uncle?) did in fact sell meth to an informant.  I can only judge by the outcome.  Does that justify the outcome?  The problem is the tactic of no knock raids inherently puts everyone involved at risk - including the police.  It is a stupid way to apprehend someone.



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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2014, 07:17:38 AM »
the war on drugs
http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/06/where-the-war-on-drugs-is-actually-like-a-war-zone/373303/

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A study released this week by the American Civil Liberties Union shows how the nation's state and local law-enforcement agencies have come to adopt hardline tactics and advanced equipment in the pursuit of routine investigations, resulting in a nationwide militarization of police work. A multi-year research effort, "War Comes Home", reveals how this militarization is connected to the War on Drugs—and how it overwhelmingly affects people of color.

Notice against whom the majority of SWAT raids are against: brown people.

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2014, 03:10:21 PM »
Radley Balko links on police militarization
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/25/morning-links-judge-strikes-down-no-fly-list/

good stuff.  Kind of like gun fails, only none of it is funny
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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #92 on: June 27, 2014, 03:54:22 PM »
Quiet, crime-free Florida town gets Army surplus, 30,000lb mine-resistant armored vehicle for local police department's new SWAT team ...

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The Walton County Sheriff’s Department, a department formerly known for community-oriented policing, has joined the ever growing list of departments across the country that have chosen to abandon common sense and deploy an IED resistant armored vehicle ... Walton County is a part of Florida that is so crime free you can leave your doors unlocked ...The last Walton County deputy killed in the line of duty was killed in a search for illegal whiskey more than seventy years ago… in 1942.

http://theantimedia.org/small-town-in-florida-obtains-an-mrap-armored-vehicle/

Hey, the thing only cost $2,500 plus a new paint job -- how can you pass that up?  :police:

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #93 on: June 27, 2014, 04:00:15 PM »
Quiet, crime-free Florida town gets Army surplus, 30,000lb mine-resistant armored vehicle for local police department's new SWAT team ...

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The Walton County Sheriff’s Department, a department formerly known for community-oriented policing, has joined the ever growing list of departments across the country that have chosen to abandon common sense and deploy an IED resistant armored vehicle ... Walton County is a part of Florida that is so crime free you can leave your doors unlocked ...The last Walton County deputy killed in the line of duty was killed in a search for illegal whiskey more than seventy years ago… in 1942.

http://theantimedia.org/small-town-in-florida-obtains-an-mrap-armored-vehicle/

Hey, the thing only cost $2,500 plus a new paint job -- how can you pass that up?  :police:

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #94 on: July 17, 2014, 11:37:24 AM »
news on our militarized security state:

DHS and border patrol can function extra-constitutionally anywhere within 100 miles of a US border, including coasts.  This effectively gives them carte blanche to do whatever they want in an area that includes about 2/3 of the US population
http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/homeland-stepping-pictures.html

cops arrest man in front of family because his kid skipped church and played in the neighborhood.
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/06/27/ohio-father-arrested-after-8-year-old-son-skips-church-to-play-in-neighborhood/

in NJ, Trenton cops beat man an sic k9 on him because he recorded them beating someone else.
http://www.trentonian.com/general-news/20140707/trenton-resident-claims-city-cops-used-excessive-force-sicked-k-9-on-him-for-videotaping-another-arrest

real stand up guy.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/07/cop-rats-out-his-daughter-in-law-after-h
cop helps daughter in law grow pot to help granddaughter’s cancer.  Granddaughter dies, so cop gets search warrant for pot he helped grow.

Feds encourage local police to lie about using “stingray” device to get around warrant issues.
http://www.wired.com/2014/06/feds-told-cops-to-deceive-courts-about-stingray/

the grotesque forfeiture law
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/30/another-forfeiture-outrage/

this is great.  It should be law in every state to do this.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/police-release-the-names-of-nearly-all-officers-involved-in-shootings-since-1990/Content?oid=2835151

guy in texas (of course) in jail for 30 years while waiting for a trial.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80633889/

how reporters subtly downplay police culpability.  It’s all about the grammar.
http://jmsclass.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/passive-voice-makes-perpetrators-disappear-in-news-headlines/

more on that http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/14/the-curious-grammar-of-police-shootings/



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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #95 on: July 17, 2014, 02:45:33 PM »
I read stuff like that and worry about my 50-something mentally disabled brother getting mixed up in some mess and getting hurt or killed because the police (or some random armed yahoo) think he is up to no good.

He has a mental age of about 12 and likes to watch cartoons, look at comic books, etc. He spends most of his time nowadays hiding at home watching tv, partially due to scary interactions with police and security guards when he was younger.

Need I mention that he is black and lives in a low-income urban area? If he lived in Canada or Europe, he would probably be getting better services and, since there are fewer guns around, he would be at lower risk of getting shot.  :(
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2014, 08:52:12 PM »
Yes, Canada would likely be a better choice.
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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2014, 09:21:16 PM »
Her is another really uplifting police-related story. It'll kind of get you choked up...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/07/william-norman-grigg/no-the-police-dont-work-for-you/

Basically, it says the cops don't work for us, they are independent and these days, as the thread title mentions, a little bit police statey.

I couldn't get shot by a nicer bunch of guys.

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« Reply #98 on: Yesterday at 11:18:34 AM »
^ while I agree with some of the things said therein, I think most of it sounds like our old friend and anarchist, Habinae est somethingsomthing.  Too much blather about taxes as theft and forced compliance, etc.
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« Reply #99 on: Yesterday at 11:23:20 AM »
Thanks for pointing that out, sscrewtape. I'll do my best to vet my sources better. I found that one when I was in a bad mood and perhaps a bit too vulnerable to my biases of the moment.
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