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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2014, 10:19:39 AM »
I absolutely despise the war on drugs.

Me, too. It has screwed up everyday life in many US communities the way the Cold War screwed up people's lives in third world countries. Just like the war against communism created more problems than communism, the war on drugs has created far more problems than the drugs ever did!

Drug use is, at worse, an issue for medical people, counselors and social workers to handle. It should never have been turned into a crime.
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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #88 on: May 30, 2014, 12:40:23 PM »
Drugs were turned into a crime by religious people. Look at those who were against certain drugs in the US in the late to early 20th century. Look at individual counties in the US where certain drugs are legal nationwide but in those places are heavily illegal, and the punishment usually outrageous.

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2014, 03:53:05 PM »
the results of the War on Drugs: militarized police, terrorized citizens, and a toddler with a hole in his chest.
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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After the SWAT team broke down the door, they threw a flashbang grenade inside. It landed in my son’s crib.

follow-up, by CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/30/us/georgia-toddler-injured-stun-grenade-drug-raid/index.html

What gets me is that some people in the comments justify the police action by the fact that the baby's adult cousin (uncle?) did in fact sell meth to an informant.  I can only judge by the outcome.  Does that justify the outcome?  The problem is the tactic of no knock raids inherently puts everyone involved at risk - including the police.  It is a stupid way to apprehend someone.



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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2014, 07:17:38 AM »
the war on drugs
http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/06/where-the-war-on-drugs-is-actually-like-a-war-zone/373303/

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A study released this week by the American Civil Liberties Union shows how the nation's state and local law-enforcement agencies have come to adopt hardline tactics and advanced equipment in the pursuit of routine investigations, resulting in a nationwide militarization of police work. A multi-year research effort, "War Comes Home", reveals how this militarization is connected to the War on Drugs—and how it overwhelmingly affects people of color.

Notice against whom the majority of SWAT raids are against: brown people.

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« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2014, 03:10:21 PM »
Radley Balko links on police militarization
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/25/morning-links-judge-strikes-down-no-fly-list/

good stuff.  Kind of like gun fails, only none of it is funny
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« Reply #92 on: June 27, 2014, 03:54:22 PM »
Quiet, crime-free Florida town gets Army surplus, 30,000lb mine-resistant armored vehicle for local police department's new SWAT team ...

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The Walton County Sheriff’s Department, a department formerly known for community-oriented policing, has joined the ever growing list of departments across the country that have chosen to abandon common sense and deploy an IED resistant armored vehicle ... Walton County is a part of Florida that is so crime free you can leave your doors unlocked ...The last Walton County deputy killed in the line of duty was killed in a search for illegal whiskey more than seventy years ago… in 1942.

http://theantimedia.org/small-town-in-florida-obtains-an-mrap-armored-vehicle/

Hey, the thing only cost $2,500 plus a new paint job -- how can you pass that up?  :police:

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #93 on: June 27, 2014, 04:00:15 PM »
Quiet, crime-free Florida town gets Army surplus, 30,000lb mine-resistant armored vehicle for local police department's new SWAT team ...

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The Walton County Sheriff’s Department, a department formerly known for community-oriented policing, has joined the ever growing list of departments across the country that have chosen to abandon common sense and deploy an IED resistant armored vehicle ... Walton County is a part of Florida that is so crime free you can leave your doors unlocked ...The last Walton County deputy killed in the line of duty was killed in a search for illegal whiskey more than seventy years ago… in 1942.

http://theantimedia.org/small-town-in-florida-obtains-an-mrap-armored-vehicle/

Hey, the thing only cost $2,500 plus a new paint job -- how can you pass that up?  :police:

Can anyone say "bloody, violent civil war/revolution"?
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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #94 on: July 17, 2014, 11:37:24 AM »
news on our militarized security state:

DHS and border patrol can function extra-constitutionally anywhere within 100 miles of a US border, including coasts.  This effectively gives them carte blanche to do whatever they want in an area that includes about 2/3 of the US population
http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/homeland-stepping-pictures.html

cops arrest man in front of family because his kid skipped church and played in the neighborhood.
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/06/27/ohio-father-arrested-after-8-year-old-son-skips-church-to-play-in-neighborhood/

in NJ, Trenton cops beat man an sic k9 on him because he recorded them beating someone else.
http://www.trentonian.com/general-news/20140707/trenton-resident-claims-city-cops-used-excessive-force-sicked-k-9-on-him-for-videotaping-another-arrest

real stand up guy.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/07/cop-rats-out-his-daughter-in-law-after-h
cop helps daughter in law grow pot to help granddaughter’s cancer.  Granddaughter dies, so cop gets search warrant for pot he helped grow.

Feds encourage local police to lie about using “stingray” device to get around warrant issues.
http://www.wired.com/2014/06/feds-told-cops-to-deceive-courts-about-stingray/

the grotesque forfeiture law
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/30/another-forfeiture-outrage/

this is great.  It should be law in every state to do this.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/police-release-the-names-of-nearly-all-officers-involved-in-shootings-since-1990/Content?oid=2835151

guy in texas (of course) in jail for 30 years while waiting for a trial.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80633889/

how reporters subtly downplay police culpability.  It’s all about the grammar.
http://jmsclass.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/passive-voice-makes-perpetrators-disappear-in-news-headlines/

more on that http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/14/the-curious-grammar-of-police-shootings/



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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #95 on: July 17, 2014, 02:45:33 PM »
I read stuff like that and worry about my 50-something mentally disabled brother getting mixed up in some mess and getting hurt or killed because the police (or some random armed yahoo) think he is up to no good.

He has a mental age of about 12 and likes to watch cartoons, look at comic books, etc. He spends most of his time nowadays hiding at home watching tv, partially due to scary interactions with police and security guards when he was younger.

Need I mention that he is black and lives in a low-income urban area? If he lived in Canada or Europe, he would probably be getting better services and, since there are fewer guns around, he would be at lower risk of getting shot.  :(
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: militarized police state
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2014, 08:52:12 PM »
Yes, Canada would likely be a better choice.
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« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2014, 09:21:16 PM »
Her is another really uplifting police-related story. It'll kind of get you choked up...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/07/william-norman-grigg/no-the-police-dont-work-for-you/

Basically, it says the cops don't work for us, they are independent and these days, as the thread title mentions, a little bit police statey.

I couldn't get shot by a nicer bunch of guys.

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« Reply #98 on: July 21, 2014, 11:18:34 AM »
^ while I agree with some of the things said therein, I think most of it sounds like our old friend and anarchist, Habinae est somethingsomthing.  Too much blather about taxes as theft and forced compliance, etc.
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« Reply #99 on: July 21, 2014, 11:23:20 AM »
Thanks for pointing that out, sscrewtape. I'll do my best to vet my sources better. I found that one when I was in a bad mood and perhaps a bit too vulnerable to my biases of the moment.
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« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2014, 08:38:15 AM »
This militarized police issue kind of smacks right in the face of the right wing's never ending quest to drown big gubnit in a bathtub doesn't it?

The right wing's slogan ought to be: Big Gubnit, bad unless it can blow up your town and arrest everyone in it in under 1 week!  :P
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« Reply #101 on: July 31, 2014, 11:10:18 AM »
The justice department has found that the hair analysis unit of the Federal B-I is full of charlatans, liars and knuckleheads.  This means there are tens if not hundreds of people wrongly jailed, and several people known to be innocent who have been executed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/federal-review-stalled-after-finding-forensic-errors-by-fbi-lab-unit-spanned-two-decades/2014/07/29/04ede880-11ee-11e4-9285-4243a40ddc97_story.html

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Nearly every criminal case reviewed by the FBI and the Justice Department as part of a massive investigation started in 2012 of problems at the FBI lab has included flawed forensic testimony from the agency, government officials said.

The findings troubled the bureau, and it stopped the review of convictions last August. Case reviews resumed this month at the order of the Justice Department, the officials said.

U.S. officials began the inquiry after The Washington Post reported two years ago that flawed forensic evidence involving microscopic hair matches might have led to the convictions of hundreds of potentially innocent people. Most of those defendants never were told of the problems in their cases.

The inquiry includes 2,600 convictions and 45 death-row cases from the 1980s and 1990s in which the FBI’s hair and fiber unit reported a match to a crime-scene sample before DNA testing of hair became common. The FBI had reviewed about 160 cases before it stopped, officials said.

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« Reply #102 on: July 31, 2014, 10:53:36 PM »
I read about this scandal a couple of years ago, but worse things have happened. When they rely solely on eyewitness accounts years after the fact it's usually much worse.
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« Reply #103 on: August 13, 2014, 10:17:04 PM »
John 14:2 :: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

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« Reply #104 on: August 14, 2014, 09:44:18 AM »
Anyone on the fence regarding this issue might want to look at this article:

http://mashable.com/2014/08/13/ferguson-police-protests-vs-iraq/
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« Reply #105 on: August 14, 2014, 09:54:15 PM »
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/6000799/ferguson-governor-nixon-president-obama-need-to-get-control

Today, looks like Obama called Gov Nixon and told him he better get control of the situation before another person is killed.

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« Reply #107 on: August 19, 2014, 09:55:52 AM »
But OMG OMG OMG brown people are invading taking the shit jobs nobody wants!  :o Better call out the militarized shit to deport them so a head of lettuce can cost $50…
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« Reply #108 on: August 19, 2014, 01:33:14 PM »
Radley Balko's 2006 white paper on militarized police.
http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf

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« Reply #109 on: August 19, 2014, 05:25:01 PM »

John 14:2 :: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

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« Reply #111 on: August 20, 2014, 01:54:39 PM »
Very good piece about military crowd control vs police crowd control and the weaponry being used by police all over the nation..

http://m.thenation.com/article/181315-catalog-ferguson-police-weaponry..
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« Reply #112 on: August 21, 2014, 09:35:10 AM »
Police shooting citizens happens all over the world. Its even happened in Iceland.

Once. And recently.

Everyone is shook.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/iceland-grieves-after-police-kill-man-first-time-its-history

We're doing it wrong here in the U.S. So wrong we can't conceive what might be right. Iceland can.
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« Reply #113 on: August 21, 2014, 01:26:32 PM »
^^^The entire country of Iceland is in mourning. The police apologized to the man's family! That part almost brought tears to my eyes.

The attitude there is so different from what we have come to accept as normal here--police shoot someone, get angry, choose sides, blame the victim for being a bad person, blame the police for being an occupying army, everyone get angrier, buy more guns--and do nothing substantive about the fact that we shoot each other. A lot.

Notice the part we skip in the US? The whole mourning the death part? The whole feeling sorry about the shooting part?

And it is not about having guns, or not having guns. They apparently like their guns in Iceland, just like they do in Canada and Australia, and whatever European countries that have that weird ski-shoot-eat tree bark-skin a bear-roll naked in the snow Olympic sport.

It is not just that we have a lot of guns. It is the fact that we in the US think that we can solve problems (social, mental, economic, political) with guns. We act like real life is an action movie, where talking and thinking are just too boring. C'mon! Blow that problem to kingdom come so we can get on with important sh!t.

In more civilized places, they actually try to solve the problems instead of substituting guns and grandstanding for talking and thinking.
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« Reply #114 on: August 21, 2014, 01:30:24 PM »
whatever European countries that have that weird ski-shoot-eat tree bark-skin a bear-roll naked in the snow Olympic sport.

...What the fuck?

On-topic: I think part of the problem is education and fundamentalism (not just religious fundamentalism, mind you; just any fundamentalist mindset).
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« Reply #115 on: August 21, 2014, 03:10:23 PM »
No doubt.. We have to declare war on that weird ski-shoot-eat tree bark-skin a bear-roll naked in the snow Olympic sport.... Cue Sarah Palin: They've declared war on that weird ski-shoot-eat tree bark-skin a bear-roll naked in the snow Olympic sport. :o
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