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Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« on: August 03, 2013, 09:06:05 AM »
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Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found? Archaeologists Discover 'Holy Thing' In Balatlar Church In Turkey

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/jesus-cross-found-archaeology_n_3691938.html

Found over on AF. Hilarious, IMO, but also quite sad to see how desperate theists get.
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 09:31:00 AM »
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 10:46:20 AM »
It's going to take some proving, I think. How can it really be connected to an historical person when we have no idea what his DNA was like? It's the only safe way to make the connection, of course. I imagine they are going to say that this 'might have been' and then make the jump to 'was' without any shame at all.

Moreover, was Jesus killed on a cross anyway. Stauros, the word translated as cross doesn't actually mean cross. Rather it rather to a vertical stake onto which a person might be nailed and was commonly used by the Romans as well as actual crosses. Of course the texts using the word were written long after the supposed event but it would be fun if the vertical stake was the correct object and these researchers have found part of a cross, now wouldn't it?
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2013, 01:46:48 PM »
Perhaps I missed something, but where does it explains why they think this is the very cross that Jesus was hung upon?  It sounds like a lot of wishful thinking.
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2013, 05:55:42 PM »
Kind of like when they found his box, bike, and treehouse.  His stuff is just all over the place over there.  If they found some blood on this hunk of wood could they clone Jesus?  Might be the only way for a 2nd coming.
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2013, 07:31:00 PM »
Didn't the catholic church sell off bits of the cross way back in its hey-day?
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 09:55:30 PM »
Wasn't it Luther who said there were enough relics of the cross strewn around Europe in his day to build a ship?  Or maybe it was Steven Wright?  Either way, this nonsense has been going on a long time
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 07:10:09 AM »
Didn't the catholic church sell off bits of the cross way back in its hey-day?

I think it was the other way around.  Back in medieval times, when the knights errant were cavorting in the "holy" lands, they would buy all manner of trinkets they were told were parts of the cross, jesus' crown of thorns, jesus' loin cloth, mary's toothbrush, etc.  They'd bring these alleged relics back to Europe as trophies.  I think at one point there were four thorny crowns in Europe.  If memory serves, last time I went to Paris, there were two, one in Notre Dame and one in another church. 
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 01:25:17 PM »
Someone get a torch, let's see if it burns.

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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 05:03:06 PM »
Reminds me of how Columbus' remains are in cathedrals in the Dominican Republic, Cuba and Spain. I am surprised Italy, New Jersey and Miami don't have his body, too.  &)
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2013, 01:16:09 AM »
It's going to take some proving, I think. How can it really be connected to an historical person when we have no idea what his DNA was like? It's the only safe way to make the connection, of course.

Well, you could go to Catholic mass, grab a holy wafer and check the DNA of that vs this cross.
Of course, if the test fails, maybe you've only proven Catholicism wrong.  &)
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2013, 02:52:23 AM »
^don't forget the wine (cough) I mean, the blood.

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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2013, 11:04:33 AM »
Seriously I think that this is not the true cross for the next reasons :

1.We haven't evidences about a historical Jesus.
2.If this man did really existed we don't know if he was crucified.
3.The real Jesus's cross don't have this geometrical form :

Because it was a vertical stake.

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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2013, 12:33:44 PM »
I bet he didn't have time to carve his initials like Daniel Boone.  His hands were tied.

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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2013, 01:16:26 PM »
I bet he didn't have time to carve his initials like Daniel Boone.  His hands were tied.
Why couldn't he use His xray vision?
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2013, 04:05:09 PM »
Very mysterious how everything related to the life and death of Jesus has disappeared. It's almost as if he wasn't really that important a person, or did not exist at all..... :-\
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2013, 07:59:01 AM »
Well, you could go to Catholic mass, grab a holy wafer and check the DNA of that vs this cross.
Of course, if the test fails, maybe you've only proven Catholicism wrong.  &)

How would you know you had the right jesus?

Following this calculation;

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http://www.richardherring.com/warmingup/9/3/2011/index.html The average human male weighs 170lb at present, its a fair assumption this was a lot lower 2000 years ago as almost no one was able to eat sufficiently well to be over weight, also people were a lot smaller, probably by about a foot, assuming thats not far off but that the distribution of below, at and above weight individuals was the same as today then the average weight would be decreased by about 25% so... Hyperthetically Jesus weighed about 129lb (170 less 25%) the human body is approximately 60% water which is more or less the same as the wine you drink to represent the blood. So dry weight Jesus was about 52lb. The average loaf of bread is about 12oz and is split amongst a congregation of say 240 people so they each get a 20th of an ounce at each communion. 52lb is 832oz so they would need to attend 16,640 communions to 'eat' Christ - thats every Sunday for 333 years.

and given that there are 1,181,368,942 catholics in the world, 70995 jesus' are consumed every sunday...

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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2013, 08:58:39 AM »
and given that there are 1,181,368,942 catholics in the world, 70995 jesus' are consumed every sunday...

That might be an overestimation :)  Anyone with an unconfessed mortal sin can't do holy communion.  So all the Catholics who have masturbated have to skip communion till they've been to confession  :police:

....... oh wait,  :o I've just looked it up ... if you are in the "habit" of masturbating it may be just a "venial sin" so okay to still have holy communion ... but if you're grown up, relaxed about life, well adjusted, and not being forced by habit to masturbate then it's definitely a "mortal sin" and confession will be required prior to partaking in the body of Christ.

Lucky "habit" for some hey?:  :laugh:

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Actually going through the list of sins in that link it's hard to see how anybody can jump in the queue for the host unless the queue starts directly at the exit door of the confessional and they are blindfolded as they emerge  :blank:

More evidence that people are bullshiting themselves and each other with outward displays of religious observance.  Damn liars the lot of them   :(
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Re: Piece Of Jesus' Cross Found?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2013, 10:11:50 AM »
Well, you could go to Catholic mass, grab a holy wafer and check the DNA of that vs this cross.
Of course, if the test fails, maybe you've only proven Catholicism wrong.  &)

How would you know you had the right jesus?

Following this calculation;

Quote from:
http://www.richardherring.com/warmingup/9/3/2011/index.html The average human male weighs 170lb at present, its a fair assumption this was a lot lower 2000 years ago as almost no one was able to eat sufficiently well to be over weight, also people were a lot smaller, probably by about a foot, assuming thats not far off but that the distribution of below, at and above weight individuals was the same as today then the average weight would be decreased by about 25% so... Hyperthetically Jesus weighed about 129lb (170 less 25%) the human body is approximately 60% water which is more or less the same as the wine you drink to represent the blood. So dry weight Jesus was about 52lb. The average loaf of bread is about 12oz and is split amongst a congregation of say 240 people so they each get a 20th of an ounce at each communion. 52lb is 832oz so they would need to attend 16,640 communions to 'eat' Christ - thats every Sunday for 333 years.

and given that there are 1,181,368,942 catholics in the world, 70995 jesus' are consumed every sunday...

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