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Re: "I'd pick hell over an anti-gay heaven"
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2013, 05:48:16 AM »
I say it's as simple as using your conscience.  […]  They could hear a little voice inside their head saying stop hating gays and they would think it's the devil when it's really God.  That is why you should be very careful who you let guide your spirit.  My conscience is my guide.  To me this is the same as saying God is my guide.

Yes, that is right. Making this mistake, i.e. thinking you conscience is a god, is common to all types of religions. A lot of people imagine an invisible friend when in fact it is the same conscience that we all have.

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Honor killing, killing because someone talked about your momma, pirating movies, shoplifting, cheating, porn, masturbation, pre-marital sex and so on......  are all things people do with a clean conscience.

Those kind of people have no desire to know God.
 

On the contrary, they do know God. It is you who does not know God. Did not God say that gays, fornicators, and adulterers shall be put to death?
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On the question of ‘anti-gay heaven’:

1.   As gays are condemned to the eternal fires of Hell and
2.   As fornicators and adulterers suffer the same fate, and 
3.   As there is no marriage in heaven[1]
4.   Then we can see that heaven is completely without any sexual activity.

Heaven cannot therefore be seen as anti-gay or pro-gay or even neutral towards gays – discrimination against gays in heaven is the same as the discrimination against Martians here on earth: There is none as there are none.

 1. M'r:12:24: And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
M'r:12:25: For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Nobody says “There are many things that we thought were natural processes, but now know that a god did them.”

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Re: "I'd pick hell over an anti-gay heaven"
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2013, 06:03:47 AM »
I say it's as simple as using your conscience.  […]  They could hear a little voice inside their head saying stop hating gays and they would think it's the devil when it's really God.  That is why you should be very careful who you let guide your spirit.  My conscience is my guide.  To me this is the same as saying God is my guide.

Yes, that is right. Making this mistake, i.e. thinking you conscience is a god, is common to all types of religions. A lot of people imagine an invisible friend when in fact it is the same conscience that we all have.

[…]

Quote
Honor killing, killing because someone talked about your momma, pirating movies, shoplifting, cheating, porn, masturbation, pre-marital sex and so on......  are all things people do with a clean conscience.

Those kind of people have no desire to know God.
 

On the contrary, they do know God. It is you who does not know God. Did not God say that gays, fornicators, and adulterers shall be put to death?
____________________________________________________

On the question of ‘anti-gay heaven’:

1.   As gays are condemned to the eternal fires of Hell and
2.   As fornicators and adulterers suffer the same fate, and 
3.   As there is no marriage in heaven[1]
4.   Then we can see that heaven is completely without any sexual activity.

Heaven cannot therefore be seen as anti-gay or pro-gay or even neutral towards gays – discrimination against gays in heaven is the same as the discrimination against Martians here on earth: There is none as there are none.
 1. M'r:12:24: And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
M'r:12:25: For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

No I don't believe God said those things and neither do you.  Nobody knows what heaven will be like.  It is possible there is no heaven but if there is I bet it's only requirement for entry is kindness.
Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.
Thomas Paine

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Re: "I'd pick hell over an anti-gay heaven"
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2013, 07:11:15 AM »
So basically, you, like me, think that the Bible is just a bunch of homespun philosophy devised by ignorant, superstitious, goatherders desperate to justify all their actions with a clear conscience, no matter how stupid or wrong? Good, we begin to agree.

You agree that you pick and choose what you want to believe from the Bible?

You agree that you pick and choose according to your conscience?

All that is left is that you believe what you said yourself: What people who believe in God (or any god) actually believe is their own conscience. A conscience given to them in their formative years by their parents and society. Your conscience is not separate from you - it is a working part of your brain that you can, to a degree, control. Your conscience changes throughout life.

We have a perfectly good word for conscience... it is "conscience"... why call it "god"?
Once you believe what you yourself have written, i.e. that any god is simply another word for the natural conscience, you will see that there is no need to believe in a mysterious, invisible god; you can say, "This is what I think is right. There are no gods and never have been."
Nobody says “There are many things that we thought were natural processes, but now know that a god did them.”

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Re: "I'd pick hell over an anti-gay heaven"
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2013, 09:50:28 AM »

No I don't believe God said those things and neither do you.  Nobody knows what heaven will be like.  It is possible there is no heaven but if there is I bet it's only requirement for entry is kindness.

This sounds like two things

1. Wishful thinking - has it's roots in emotion, which are unreliable for separating fact from fiction
2. Cherry picking bible verses - which is inconsistent and hypocritical, and henceforth invalid

What makes you think there is such a thing as "heaven"? Where is the evidence for this?

Personally, I think you are closer to being an atheist than you know, since you reject much of the bible (b/c it doesn't make you feel very good) and you obviously have no problem criticizing it. So why not be consistent and reject all of the miraculous nonsense from that book (amidst hundreds of other nonsense books) and then reject the angry vile asshole they call Yahweh from which (supposedly) all of the nonsense came? Can you not see that all of this bible 'stuff' is man-made, not god made? If you can see this, then chuck the bible b/c you don't need it. Open yourself to actual reality and throw the fiction away.
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