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The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« on: July 22, 2013, 08:43:28 AM »
I was reading some books I got from the library and one of them was "Good Deed Scouts to the Rescue." There were three stories and I began reading only to find religion thrown in at the beginning of each story and at the end. Obviously the authors Jan and Mike Berenstain want to promote religion but I object to this underhand way of pushing it in children's books.

Also I believe it is high time to rescue children from religion. Is it possible to institute a class action lawsuit to prevent kids from being indoctrinated into religion via Sunday schools? They have no choice in the matter after all. And the process screws up so many children. Why not bring an action and challenge Sunday schools to show evidence that what they teach is true and supported by facts? They can't do that. It should be a slam dunk.
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 01:17:01 PM »
It looks like the Berenstains bears have found jeezus, via their newest author, son Mike Berenstain.  Good to know there will now be bears in heaven. Just be sure not to call anyone bald or it could get ugly...

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Over the years, my parents and I often heard from Christian families how much they appreciate the values-based themes of our books. By dealing with religion through the fun and laughter of the Berenstain Bears, we hope to nurture these families in their goal of raising children secure in their faith.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2010/10/the-berenstain-bears-get-an-app-and-find-god.html
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 02:05:21 PM »
Damn. I used to love the Berenstain Bears. :(
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 02:28:25 PM »
Also I believe it is high time to rescue children from religion. Is it possible to institute a class action lawsuit to prevent kids from being indoctrinated into religion via Sunday schools? They have no choice in the matter after all. And the process screws up so many children. Why not bring an action and challenge Sunday schools to show evidence that what they teach is true and supported by facts? They can't do that. It should be a slam dunk.

I agree.  Similar to a thread I started a long time ago:


http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,12411.0.html
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 02:36:44 PM »

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Over the years, my parents and I often heard from Christian families how much they appreciate the values-based themes of our books. By dealing with religion through the fun and laughter of the Berenstain Bears, we hope to nurture these families in their goal of raising children secure in their faith.



You notice how he says they heard from "Christian families" over the years?   Basically, he's giving a big f-off to anyone who happened to like the BBs but isn't one of his ilk... 
Having read and reread a bunch of these - usually bleary-eyed and spattered with spit up (hey, when I get drunk I like to read about bears  :o), I'm glad my brood is finally out of the BBs stage. 
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 02:57:43 PM »
Also I believe it is high time to rescue children from religion. Is it possible to institute a class action lawsuit to prevent kids from being indoctrinated into religion via Sunday schools? They have no choice in the matter after all. And the process screws up so many children. Why not bring an action and challenge Sunday schools to show evidence that what they teach is true and supported by facts? They can't do that. It should be a slam dunk.

I agree.  Similar to a thread I started a long time ago:


http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,12411.0.html
It's not just Sunday schools.  It's pre-schools too. Just about every pre-school in our area is a church. 
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 03:15:10 PM »
Also I believe it is high time to rescue children from religion. Is it possible to institute a class action lawsuit to prevent kids from being indoctrinated into religion via Sunday schools? They have no choice in the matter after all. And the process screws up so many children. Why not bring an action and challenge Sunday schools to show evidence that what they teach is true and supported by facts? They can't do that. It should be a slam dunk.
I'm 99% sure that any such class action lawsuit would be dismissed on First Amendment grounds, especially seeing as it's parents bringing their own children to Sunday School.  You might argue that it's damaging children, but how do you prove that?  And that's the rub.  You have to prove it.  You can't bring a lawsuit against someone and demand that they prove that they are not doing harm (which is essentially what you're talking about).  Such a lawsuit would be thrown out in a heartbeat.

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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 04:53:22 PM »
Are they the children's books that say it's okay to hit kids? Or is that the Richard Scarry books?  :?
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 06:22:19 PM »
The Berenstein Bears books, at least the ones I grew up reading, are life lesson books for children.  They're intended to impart moral lessons (such as "don't lie", "don't steal", etc) to their readers.

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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 06:23:28 PM »
Yeah.  My daughter loved the Bernstein Bears for a few years.  She seems to have outgrown them now.  She LOVED this one book about how the bear family kept a nice house and were good neighbors but there was this other family who kept a messy yard and didn't seem to be good neighbors.  And then the bear family's car broke down, and the mayor and the fancy rich people drove right by and didn't help them.  But who helped?  It was the family with the messy yard. 

Apparently, the bear family had some preconceived notions about the messy yard family.  But mama bear was so grateful that they had stopped to help them when their car broke down, that she invited the whole messy yard family over for dinner!  In spite of the fact that they were clearly not at the same economic level as the bear family.  The children were shocked that mama had invited them to their home, but then mama started telling the kids that the BIBLE tells us to be nice to our neighbors.

I HATED this book.  I hated the judgmental bear family.  I hated the fact that they only looked at the other family as worthy of their attention after the other family helped them.   

But most of all, I hated the fact that we should be nice to others because the BIBLE tells us to be nice to others. 

We should be nice to others because other peoples feelings are as valid as our feelings.  And we should always think about how our actions impact on other people.  Even - no especially, people who are different from us. 

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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 10:24:29 PM »
Huh. I don't remember religion being a part of the books ... will have to go look at some of the older ones and see if I'm just forgetting that part. Note that I was a wee little one a fairly long time ago.  ;D
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2013, 01:12:24 AM »
I always thought the bear was Jewish.

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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2013, 02:54:34 AM »
Just read Curious George instead.  Maybe when their sales drop they will re-evaluate their position.  My son loved Curious George.  I can't wait to read them to my grandson. 

Seriously though child entertainment industry is always trying to slip religious stuff in there.  I remember the fuss over Chronicles of Narnia. 

Or.. you could change the words around for your atheist children so that it's not religious at all. 

I do wish we could protect their little minds from being brainwashed though.  Maybe child protection reports would at least get it on the news. IDK 

I went to Sunday school and survived but damn I was confused for the longest time.  Like 15 years it took me to untrain my brain.   As a therapist I will always keep this in mind.  School starts soon and I'm too excited about it. 8-19 then y'all will get a break from me. ;)
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2013, 09:59:00 AM »
I was raised in a secular home. My parents took us to a Unitarian church, on the theory that we should at least be exposed to religion. In sunday school we did many things. We planted trees. We had sex education. But what I most remember is that we studied religions as if they were alien cultures. By that I mean we studied ALL of them. We went to buddhist shrines, catholic churches, jewish synagogues, mosques, etc. By the time we were done it was completely obvious to everyone that there were so many who believed they had the one and only Way, that none of them could possibly have the one and only Way.  ;D

I was already an atheist, but I imagine that if I weren't, that exposure would have gotten me there.
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2013, 10:09:11 PM »
"Or.. you could change the words around for your atheist children so that it's not religious at all." 

I did not say that but I excluded any religious reference on the fly as I was reading. Then I tossed the book.
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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2013, 05:01:13 PM »
I was raised in a secular home. My parents took us to a Unitarian church, on the theory that we should at least be exposed to religion. In sunday school we did many things. We planted trees. We had sex education. But what I most remember is that we studied religions as if they were alien cultures. By that I mean we studied ALL of them. We went to buddhist shrines, catholic churches, jewish synagogues, mosques, etc. By the time we were done it was completely obvious to everyone that there were so many who believed they had the one and only Way, that none of them could possibly have the one and only Way.  ;D

I was already an atheist, but I imagine that if I weren't, that exposure would have gotten me there.


Hey, cool!  At our Quaker meeting, it's usually somewhat of a small group, and we mostly know each other, so we really notice the hordes of Unitarian middle schoolers when they show up once a year.  I love it!  (this year, I was amused to watch the adults react to the fact that their recently retired pastor is now attending our meeting) 

I'm pretty sure we have one member who is now well over sixty, who originally discovered Quakerism on a Unitarian field trip.  I think it's a great idea, have never been organized enough to implement it with kids I"m working with.

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Re: The Berenstain Bears Promotes Religion
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2013, 05:02:10 PM »
on topic, I was never terribly into the bears - though I thought they were cute, was kind of horrified to glance through a book in the past ten years and notice the religious undertones, ugh!