I guess to just simplify matters I will copy/paste the post I have been actually referring to.
Jdawg, I clearly told you I do not have a relationship with Jesus. So why turn around and say that I do?
Apologies - I misread/misunderstood what you had wrote. I read it as you saying that I don't understand the relationship you have with Jesus, and that you don't necessarily understand your relationship with him either (it's a viewpoint I've seen a number of times - claims of a personal relationship with Jesus but of a kind that cannot be articulated in any sort of way).
1st question-We all have life experiences but not the same ones. Mine has been very different from yours and so on and so on. I know you must be aware of this.
I'm not sure this addresses the meat of my question - yes, we do have very different experiences. The question is why there are so many disparate, mutually exclusive viewpoints and understandings on a subject like 'the existence of an person called Jesus' and the nature of that entity therein (i.e. divinity, salvation, simple preacher, etc.). That's why I'm saying that simply saying "my life experiences have informed upon me that Jesus of Nazareth existed and had the following qualities" is insufficient to understand how it is you came to believe that Jesus did indeed exist.
When you read the bible without belief in it's divinity/holiness it is a different read.
Why would you say that intelligence stems from sentience? I would think it the other way around. Sentience stems from intelligence.
I suspect that neither of us will get very far if we start trying to define intelligence in a specific way, so I'll go ahead and just concede this. With the assumption that sentience stems from intelligence, what leads you to leap that the intelligence
that you feel is apparent in the creation of reality has
sentient characteristics (i.e. loving, willfulness, etc.)?
2nd question-I believe Jesus was close to God. The authors of his story are human and their interpretation may be exaggerated. For instance, the virgin birth, walking on water, healing, rising from the dead and turning water into wine. See I am familiar with human nature and I don't know, when I read the bible with this in mind it stands out to me.
Jesus is so much greater as a man than a demi-god.
So when you say "Jesus was close to god", I take it to mean that Jesus was more 'in tuned' to god, or has a better understanding of god's ways more than others? Or something like that at least...if you could give more clarity here I think it would help...
I'm going to try a re-summary of how I understand your views and beliefs again. Same caveats apply from last time:
You take the bible to be an old book that has some historical descriptions that are accurate (perhaps not precise), though it is neither a text of the quality of a history book (contains fantastical stories and untrue elements and events) nor a divinely written or inspired work. You believe that man named 'Jesus' is, in some way, referenced in this book, though for the most part is a caricature of the actual 'Jesus'. The information that you have on Jesus' character (be it concrete information or some 'intuitive' sense of knowing) is not informed by the bible, but rather informed through your life experiences as a whole.
The man Jesus is an ideal to aspire towards. Actions and words attributed to him in the bible may or may not be accurate, but again, the truth of his existence and aspects of his general character are things that you've learned of through life experiences as a whole.
The 'god' entity described in the bible is not related to the actual 'god' entity, or if so, it is a tangential relation at best (both biblegod and the 'god' you refer to as creators of the world for example).
The world (is it fair to simply say 'reality' instead of 'the world'?) appears to be designed by some intelligent means. This is enough to suggest to you that the best, most parsimonious explanation is that some intelligent sentience created, through undiscovered or undiscoverable means, instantiated the world and continues to act in it but inside the will of other sentient entities. This 'interaction' manifests itself as emotional and/or intuitive senses but not in some manner like direct interaction with the physical 'essence' (matter, energy, space, time, etc.).
I'm still unclear as to how you've derived some aspects of Jesus' character or teachings. If none of it is informed from the bible (and maybe some of it is), where do you get your ideas that Jesus is an exemplary example of a human to strive to be like? Where do you get your idea that Jesus is, in some way, close to god?
Could you explain how you get from 'reality looks to be designed by an intelligence' to 'the intelligence responsible for designing reality has sentience'? The gap there is a bit wide for me right now. Does sentience necessarily stem from intelligence?