Let me just say this. Christians do not consider me Christian. I think they would know better than an atheist if I was part of their religion. Go ahead ask them.
I swear, I'm speaking of the theory of gods. People thought of gods before the bible was written. It was not bible then the idea.
I have said before the theory should change as we grow more knowledgeable. We have to apply new knowledge to what we think about God, like the age of the planet. Well at least that's how I approach the idea. Oh yea Christians don't do that do they? Guess I'm not a Christian then. I could list a hundred things about me that's not Christian and just because I like not worship the loving instructions of Jesus you want to put a Christian stamp on my head and call it a day. Not going to happen.
It is downright childish of any of you to continue this insistence of Christianity. That religion hates me. They condemn me to hell right above you. At least you're not an abomination!!! I would rather be called a whore,slut, scalawag, or an idiot than be put in that box. You are disregarding a lot of Christian tradition to call me one.
It's over I am not a Christian. You can say I am 1001 times and you'd be wrong 1001 times.
I'm generally willing to go with whatever someone chooses to identify themselves as. Your world view has elements of Christianity, and elements of not-so-much, so it's all the same to me, really, what you want to call it. For what it's worth, I have a lot more problems with apologists who twist the words and meanings in the Bible to fit (if it can even be called fitting) all the clear contradictions both within itself and the way it fails to match up to the world around them than I do with those who try to think for themselves, even though they cannot bring themselves to give up on the supernatural.
Anyway, that's not really my point here. Your post just made me think of my brother-in-law, who I've been thinking of starting a thread about. He's been a nondenominational, though definitely Christian minister for the past 15 years or so, and is one of the strongest people I know as far as what he is willing to put himself through, even though he has osteogenesis imperfecta (brittle bone disease), and many physical limitations because of it. In the last year or so, he has come out as gay, at the age of 43, and lost his job, and most of his Christian friends because of it, on top of which, he has suffered from clinical depression on and off for years, and this has put him in a really suicidal frame of mind in recent months. We, his family, and those friends he still has, have constantly been trying to talk him off the proverbial ledge, and he has lost other friends as a result of his wild mood swings (he is on medication, but it evidently has not quite been effective). I have a hard time understanding how he could keep his faith in the face of all this, especially given the Christian belief that god has a plan and will not give you any hardship you cannot handle, which, to me, flies in the face of suicidal thoughts and plans. Yet he will not budge in his Christianity. He is not, and has never been, in a romantic relationship, but during his more positive moments, he holds out hope for finding someone to share his life with. He, as many other Christians have done, has managed to reconcile his homosexuality with his faith.
And I think that's where people get tripped up with you as well, Junebug. Even though you don't consider yourself Christian, there are enough hold-overs from your having been brought up that way that other than the name, there's not a whole lot of difference between your beliefs and those of some people who have amended their world view to incorporate any number of things which are not necessarily Biblical, but who still hold fast to the label of "Christianity".
Not that any of this is particularly relevant to this thread. I think I'm just venting a bit. Does anyone think this (the part about my BIL) topic deserves a thread of its own, or can it stay here to gain maybe a response or two then fizzle out?
edited to add: yeah, this all pretty much goes along with what The Gawd just posted while I was typing, too.