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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #174 on: October 30, 2013, 01:52:08 PM »
lol, well I guess we need to advertise something seemingly obvious like the option of adoption  to women who could not figure out the whole birth control thing.   lol

birth is not forced, it is natural.   abortion is forced.   your body as a woman is designed to give birth, not give an abortion. 
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #175 on: October 30, 2013, 01:57:12 PM »

Well, it's a good thing that women who are willing to abort their pregnancies don't fall under that category.

Though...what if you just wanted to punish them, and attraction was secondary to that goal?

Let's say you got angry at a bad movie and wanted to punish Scarlet Johansson, so you went and raped her.

She gets pregnant from it, of course, and you hope that she has to endure the punishment you've set up for her.

What moral obligation does she have to keep your offspring in her womb, DrTroll?  It's not yet a person.  Surely you'd like it to be, so that she would be forced suffer, but what is the rationale for labelling it as such?

Troll = Pro lifer laying it down on the internet. 

her obligation is to be a decent person is a civilized society.   neanderthals kill their offspring.   

do you think the man has no say in the matter?  takes two to tango

Scarlett would have a hard time keeping her hands off me because i am eye candy obviously.

What does your wife say about this? Would she want Scarlett to have an abortion?

You avoided my question.
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #176 on: October 30, 2013, 01:58:52 PM »
birth is not forced, it is natural.   abortion is forced.   your body as a woman is designed to give birth, not give an abortion.

Abortion is also a natural process. Your argument fails.
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #177 on: October 30, 2013, 01:59:47 PM »
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you miss the political aspect.

if you don't give the exceptions for rape then you don't get anything.   only a fool operates on all or nothing.  if we can save 93 percent of babies from brutal homicide then we take that that.   

obviously a raped woman did not have consensual sex so that is a complicated situation. 

HA!  If you don't give exceptions for rape, then more people will truly question your motives and figure out that you don't actually care about babies, or any human beings for that matter.

Why do you think abortion is wrong? It's  "brutal homicide" right? Well, it's just as brutal and homicidal if the fetus is the result of rape or consensual sex. There is no complication.


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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #178 on: October 30, 2013, 02:04:46 PM »
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you miss the political aspect.

if you don't give the exceptions for rape then you don't get anything.   only a fool operates on all or nothing.  if we can save 93 percent of babies from brutal homicide then we take that that.   

obviously a raped woman did not have consensual sex so that is a complicated situation. 

HA!  If you don't give exceptions for rape, then more people will truly question your motives and figure out that you don't actually care about babies, or any human beings for that matter.

Why do you think abortion is wrong? It's  "brutal homicide" right? Well, it's just as brutal and homicidal if the fetus is the result of rape or consensual sex. There is no complication.

You are doing what I call using the exception to the rule to argue the rule.   We can't ban any abortions unless we ban them all.   I'd rather be a hypocrite that saves 93 percent then a purist who save 0 percent.   

look to Lincoln,  free states and slave states.   don't go for it all at once.   

Consider Obama,  he wants single payer healthcare.  He knew that was not popular so he rolled out O-Care as a stepping stone to get there and as you can see,  most people are losing their plans via their employers and won't be long government is only option for healthcare.   
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #179 on: October 30, 2013, 02:08:08 PM »
lol, well I guess we need to advertise something seemingly obvious like the option of adoption 
put your money where your typing fingers are, troll. Get your ass in motion on your own proposed solution or troll on. No real difference to me - you were not my target audience in any case.
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to women who could not figure out the whole birth control thing.   lol
Typical misogynistic troll, Blaming the stupid women who can't figure out how to use birth control while forgetting that it takes two to cause a pregnancy.
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birth is not forced,
Nice dodge. I'm aware that you are less stupid than you are portraying yourself as (good trolling does require a certain amount of intelligence), but you're also not anywhere near as smart as you think either.
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it is natural.   abortion is forced.   your body as a woman is designed to give birth, not give an abortion.
What is your body "designed" for?
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #180 on: October 30, 2013, 02:10:15 PM »
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you miss the political aspect.

if you don't give the exceptions for rape then you don't get anything.   only a fool operates on all or nothing.  if we can save 93 percent of babies from brutal homicide then we take that that.   

obviously a raped woman did not have consensual sex so that is a complicated situation. 

HA!  If you don't give exceptions for rape, then more people will truly question your motives and figure out that you don't actually care about babies, or any human beings for that matter.

Why do you think abortion is wrong? It's  "brutal homicide" right? Well, it's just as brutal and homicidal if the fetus is the result of rape or consensual sex. There is no complication.

You are doing what I call using the exception to the rule to argue the rule.   We can't ban any abortions unless we ban them all.   I'd rather be a hypocrite that saves 93 percent then a purist who save 0 percent.   

look to Lincoln,  free states and slave states.   don't go for it all at once.   

Consider Obama,  he wants single payer healthcare.  He knew that was not popular so he rolled out O-Care as a stepping stone to get there and as you can see,  most people are losing their plans via their employers and won't be long government is only option for healthcare.

You're doing a fantastic job of making my point for me, thank you! Keep up the good work troll, my side benefits from your kind of help!
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #181 on: October 30, 2013, 02:15:35 PM »
 My body is designed to give a woman who wants one a baby, and pleasure.   lol

I'm an internet Lincoln and I am laying down the rhetorical framework that will eventually lead to the demise of abortion much like he set the instiution of slavery on fire and watched it burn.   

How can I be anti-woman if I want to save female babies from slaughter?
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #182 on: October 30, 2013, 02:22:31 PM »
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You are doing what I call using the exception to the rule to argue the rule.

No, I'm not.  When you're talking about murder, you don't allow any under the law. You don't say one murder is legal while another is not, especially when the "victim" is equally innocent in either case.

It's not legal for me to kill you if your father rapes me. Why should it be OK for a woman to "brutally" murder her fetus because it's father raped her? Of one is wrong, both are wrong.

You're only making the exception, because you know that abortion isn't the same as murder.

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #183 on: October 30, 2013, 02:23:17 PM »
I'm not attracted to women who have no problem putting down their own child.   barbaric cavewomen.

How would you know their opinion if you did not ask them their opinion?
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #184 on: October 30, 2013, 02:23:50 PM »
All the males who support abortion are male pigs who want to be able to have casual sex and not deal with any unintended consequences.   These are basically Bill Clinton types.  The irony of abortion is it unites militant anti-men femi-nazis  with the male pigs like Clinton.  lol

Many males only say they are pro-abortion because they think that makes it easier for them to get a date with a young woman, who tend to be single issue voters on abortion.   So it really just pandering.

As people have told you: pro-choice does not equate to pro-abortion. If you weren't an idiot you'd know that.

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #185 on: October 30, 2013, 02:25:09 PM »
My body is designed to give a woman who wants one a baby, and pleasure.   lol

A woman who wants a man of intellect with a sense of humour beyond just lol is going to miss out ;D
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #186 on: October 30, 2013, 02:26:22 PM »
I'm not attracted to women who have no problem putting down their own child.   barbaric cavewomen.

I doubt they lose sleep over it, or any woman for that matter.

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #187 on: October 30, 2013, 02:28:22 PM »
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You are doing what I call using the exception to the rule to argue the rule.

No, I'm not.  When you're talking about murder, you don't allow any under the law. You don't say one murder is legal while another is not, especially when the "victim" is equally innocent in either case.

It's not legal for me to kill you if your father rapes me. Why should it be OK for a woman to "brutally" murder her fetus because it's father raped her? Of one is wrong, both are wrong.

You're only making the exception, because you know that abortion isn't the same as murder.

you are basically exploiting the rape of women who then get pregnant to make your case for abortion used as delayed birth control after casual sex.
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #188 on: October 30, 2013, 02:28:58 PM »
Well, it's a good thing that women who are willing to abort their pregnancies don't fall under that category.

Though...what if you just wanted to punish them, and attraction was secondary to that goal?

Let's say you got angry at a bad movie and wanted to punish Scarlet Johansson, so you went and raped her.

She gets pregnant from it, of course, and you hope that she has to endure the punishment you've set up for her.

What moral obligation does she have to keep your offspring in her womb, DrTroll?  It's not yet a person.  Surely you'd like it to be, so that she would be forced suffer, but what is the rationale for labelling it as such?

Troll = Pro lifer laying it down on the internet. 

her obligation is to be a decent person is a civilized society.   neanderthals kill their offspring.   

do you think the man has no say in the matter?  takes two to tango

Scarlett would have a hard time keeping her hands off me because i am eye candy obviously.


This is hilariously sad. She, who in the hypothetical who you raped, has to be decent. Why couldn't you just not have (hypothetically) raped her. Where was your decency?

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #189 on: October 30, 2013, 02:36:09 PM »
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you are basically exploiting the rape of women who then get pregnant to make your case for abortion used as delayed birth control after casual sex.

Wrong again.  You're the one who thinks abortion is murder. I'm just not letting you say one murder is fine while another murder is not when the victims are equally innocent.

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #190 on: October 30, 2013, 02:37:31 PM »
My body is designed to give a woman who wants one a baby, and pleasure.   lol
I sincerely hope my assumption that you are NOT in reality, a complete bumbling idiot is true - in light of that I'm just going to point out that your logic is horribly flawed, and perhaps badly mistaken, and avoid the easy target you gave me here.
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I'm an internet Lincoln
.....thanks for that - I laughed out loud for real.
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and I am laying down the rhetorical framework that will eventually lead to the demise of abortion
How? You skipped right over the error in your thinking and made it a joke. Who can take you seriously? Your promoting adoption as a viable alternative but refusing to talk about it.
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much like he set the instiution of slavery on fire and watched it burn.   
Good to know it's not just religious history you're horribly ignorant about.
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How can I be anti-woman if I want to save female babies from slaughter?
What makes you think the two are mutually exclusive?
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #191 on: October 30, 2013, 02:42:11 PM »
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you are basically exploiting the rape of women who then get pregnant to make your case for abortion used as delayed birth control after casual sex.

Wrong again.  You're the one who thinks abortion is murder. I'm just not letting you say one murder is fine while another murder is not when the victims are equally innocent.

nah, see you basically need for there to be men raping women and getting them pregnant to have an argument for abortion at all.   I'm not letting you get away with that.   You never thought I could reverse that on you did you?   :)

I never said one murder was fine and the other isn't.  The babies are killed in both.  Although I would think in cases of rape they would give the woman the morning after one. 
  If we go with what you think,  more babies die.   If we go with what I think, 93 percent of babies live.   
so you can call me a hypocrite but I'm a hero to these babies as they get older. 

the raped women who have the babies =  heroes
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #192 on: October 30, 2013, 02:44:02 PM »
lol, well I guess we need to advertise something seemingly obvious like the option of adoption  to women who could not figure out the whole birth control thing.   lol

birth is not forced, it is natural.   abortion is forced.   your body as a woman is designed to give birth, not give an abortion. 

See, the first thing people like you do is outlaw abortion. The second thing people like you do is outlaw contraceptives, including condoms.

The third thing people like you do is send people to jail for having unlawful abortions, even in the case of rape, incest, and risk to the mother. And not just the doctors but anyone involved, including the mother, especially the mother.

The fourth thing you do is decide that abortion is 1st degree murder and send those involved, especially the mother, to their executions.

The fifth thing you do is attack anyone outside your society that supports abortion, verbally or otherwise.

The sixth thing you do is shoot yourself in the head for raping a girl and forcing her to have your baby because you care about life.

Frankly, I wish you'd skip the entire list and go to the last one.

*"you" is in general

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #193 on: October 30, 2013, 02:52:50 PM »

I'm not attracted to women who have no problem putting down their own child.   barbaric cavewomen.

How do you know their opinion if you do not ask them their opinion?
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #194 on: October 30, 2013, 02:54:00 PM »
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nah, see you basically need for there to be men raping women and getting them pregnant
It happens every day.

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to have an argument for abortion at all.

Nope, wrong again!

The rape exception only comes into play with people like you who want to make one.  You called it a "complicated situation" which means YOU have room in your argument. YOU don't think one murder is equal to another.

I think murder is murder. I just don't think abortion is murder, you do.

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You never thought I could reverse that on you did you?   :)

You didn't.  There is no hypocrisy in my ethical stance like there is in yours.

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I never said one murder was fine and the other isn't.  The babies are killed in both.  Although I would think in cases of rape they would give the woman the morning after one.

Really?  You said it right there!  If you don't think a raped woman should be forced to carry to term, you are saying one murder is fine.

 
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If we go with what you think,  more babies die.   If we go with what I think, 93 percent of babies live.
 

98% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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so you can call me a hypocrite but I'm a hero to these babies as they get older.

No, you're not. Because you have expressed absolutely no interest in bettering the lives they'll be born into. You will not adopt or mentor a single one. You will not buy one of their mothers a bottle of formula to feed them, and you will call them murders if they end up needing abortions themselves one day. 

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the raped women who have the babies =  heroes

Not if they have no choice in the matter. Which someone who truly thought abortion was murder wouldn't allow.
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #195 on: October 30, 2013, 02:55:46 PM »

her obligation is to be a decent person is a civilized society.   neanderthals kill their offspring.   

do you think the man has no say in the matter?  takes two to tango

Scarlett would have a hard time keeping her hands off me because i am eye candy obviously.

If you were married what do you think your wife would say about this? Would she want Scarlett to have an abortion?

You avoided my question again.
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #196 on: October 30, 2013, 02:58:10 PM »
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You avoided my question again.

That's about the only thing he's good at.

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #197 on: October 30, 2013, 02:59:54 PM »
lol, here we go again.    So I would need to take care of every slave  after they were freed , to oppose slavery?   That is your dumb logic.

person who supports abortion does not have the moral high ground on somebody who does not. 

the rape scenario is complicated b/c the woman did not have consensual sex and having the baby of her rapist could be a pyschiatric issue for her.   So I see it as a miscarriage forced by situation.  She's  not murdering the baby.   You basically accusing a raped woman who chooses not to have her baby of murder.   The baby is killed but it is not murder.   Murder is putting the baby down b/c all you wanted was a good time with the random man you meet at a bar.

I will not apologize for being able to see grey rather than make every situation a black and white thing. 
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #198 on: October 30, 2013, 03:00:21 PM »
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You avoided my question again.

That's about the only thing he's good at.

Don't tell him that. It may boost his ego.

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #199 on: October 30, 2013, 03:02:18 PM »
Looks like they are going to ban me soon.

Trolling =  expressing pro-life opinions on an opinion board
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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
« Reply #200 on: October 30, 2013, 03:04:23 PM »
Are the guys on this thread planning on getting pregnant soon?   lol

i wouldn't think a male would care enough about the ability to have an legal abortion to want to talk about it on the internet.

You are unable to empathize with women?  I do not find that unsurprising.



The Bible is not source authority on the nature of "God", if "God" exists.  So quoting the Bible to show "hypocrisy"  is silly.   

you are the one who brought "thou shalt not kill" into the conversation.


Pro-lifers are pro-innocent life.

Not really.  For one, it is well established that numerous innocent people have been executed under the death penalty.  If they really were against the death of innocents, they would want the death penalty abolished. 

For two, they only seem to care about the fertilized egg.  Once the fetus exits the uterus, they adopt a You're On Your Own attitude.  People who actually care about living children support a robust social safety net. 

For three, if they really cared about prenatal care (they don't) they would support Planned Parenthood.  Most of what they do relates to women's health and prenatal care. Instead, they are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Liberals are pro-death, they are pro-abortion and pro-murderer not getting the death penalty.

This is why you are called Dr Troll.  This is a really stupid and intentionally inflamatory thing to say.  It seems to me you have run out of actual arguments and are down to insults.


Let me offer some genuine help.  Right now you are just puking your stupid opinions onto our forum over and over.  It is unconvincing.  You need to provided facts and data.  You need a coherent argument.  So far, you've got neither. 

If I were you, I would do one of two things.  One would be to establish that a fertilized egg should be considered a human being, with all the rights of one, and why we should believe it.  The other would be to establish that a fertilized egg has more rights to a woman's uterus than she does, and why we should agree. 

There.  I laid it all out for you.  Fill in the blanks.

 

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Re: Isn't abortion the kindest thing one can do for another being?
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"You want to know who just loves abortions? God loves abortions. He performs them all the time and not even for the money. "  NoGodsForMe

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