Diests, wouldn't heaven be boring?

[epidemic]

What could I do for an eternity that would entertain me.  If there is a paradise, man it would require me not to be recognisable myself to enjoy it.  Imagine eternity doing everything you love the most.  to be crass, I don't think living in a constant state of orgasm would be much fun after a day or two.  Even if I were to study each and every atom, and gravaton partical in the universe for a month eventually I am gonna run out of things to do.  Trying to win converts of the souls in hell would only take a couple of billion years that still leaves an eternity left.  72 virgins is boring on that time scale

If I am  me in heaven I might be subject to banishment after receiving my final reward for a good life.  If I still have free will and am subject to the same human weakness as here I am bound to screw up with an eternity of chances to do so.

Perhaps heaven is a collective like the borg you go there to combine into a super collective being but lose your self in the process.  If you lose yourself aren't you essentially dead?   


So diests what do you imagine heaven to be like that avoids it being a form of hell.

[Dante]

I don't think living in a constant state of orgasm would be much fun after a day or two. 

Then you're not doing it right 

[epidemic]

I don't think living in a constant state of orgasm would be much fun after a day or two. 

Then you're not doing it right 

a not so smart all powerful being Like "Q" of Star Trek TNG.






As far as not doing it right.  Don't get me wrong I put orgasm and sex right up there on the list of good things to do.  But something the diests claim is with out bad the good is not really exceptional.

In heaven where there is nothing but a cosmic constant orgasm I am not sure you could really appreciate it.  Using ones human life on the time scale of enternity might let you forget your benchmark for bad.  The way I see it heaven would be fun for about a decade maybe

[Nick]

Try to get a temp job at the pearly gate.  Might be fun watching people worry about getting in or not.

[Energized]

Can someone supply some verses that describe the afterlife in heaven?

E.

[One Above All]

You mean theists, not deists. While deists are a subset of theists, their "hands-off" god would logically mean no afterlife.

[epidemic]

learn something new every day.   I thought a diest was a believer in god no specifics as to what that god does.  Oh well then Theist it is.

[Betelnut]

Do people have bodies in heaven?  I don't see how people would any physical sensations otherwise since all of those come from the brain/body.

[Schizoid]

No, heaven would not be boring to deists since their massively egotistical god would lobotomize them into eternally praising deist zombies.

Remember Dudley Moore in "Bedazzled" when the devil had him praise god to see what it was like to do it for eternity and he had enough after about 15 seconds?  That pretty much says it all for any god who finds the odor of burning animals to be pleasing.

[Nam]

Christian Heaven: On your knees 24/7 sucking Biblegod's dick. If you don't swallow, you go to hell.

-Nam

[Ron Jeremy]

It might not be all bad for the first couple of months - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/06/spanking-for-jesus-movement/

[epidemic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TLGGKraKmXc#t=51s

I like the part of this video where you see how freakishly annoying having people sing your praises must suck for god.

[12 Monkeys]

I know a few Christians I work with who would not consider it boring,,,,but then again talking to them their IQ's are somewhere near single digits

[Nam]

Hey magicmiles, what'd I say that wasn't true?

-Nam

[Whateverman]

You mean theists, not deists. While deists are a subset of theists, their "hands-off" god would logically mean no afterlife.

Or, at the very least, no concept of an afterlife being associated with deism.

Thanks.  Haven't logged in here for a while, but I was going to just to post something along the same lines as your comments above.  Deists (technically theists) don't generally hold to the idea of an afterlife.

I do agree that the Christian "heaven" sounds abyssmal

[junebug72]

Nobody knows the answer to that.  It is all speculation. 

[epidemic]

Nobody knows the answer to that.  It is all speculation.

My wife had an intersting take on it.  You might be able to enjoy it if you had a different perspective on time.  Excluding time from perspective might alleviate the boredom.

[jdawg70]

Nobody knows the answer to that.  It is all speculation.

My wife had an intersting take on it.  You might be able to enjoy it if you had a different perspective on time.  Excluding time from perspective might alleviate the boredom.

Unfortunately that perspective fails; in the context of sentient experience, time is something that cannot be excluded.  As sentient creatures, we perceive the physical dimension of time as a gradient of experience.  Eliminating the gradient of experience ceases cognitive, sentient operation.  If nothing changes, then nothing can be experienced.  You can eliminate the physical dimension of time all you want; but anything a sentient creature will experience will be perceived as some passage of time[1].

1.	Yes, I've done enough drugs to know that, while I've had experiences that feel 'timeless', I have always had the feeling and perception that some amount of time has passed, if not externally, then internally in my thought processes.  Don't do drugs.

[epidemic]

Nobody knows the answer to that.  It is all speculation.

My wife had an intersting take on it.  You might be able to enjoy it if you had a different perspective on time.  Excluding time from perspective might alleviate the boredom.

Unfortunately that perspective fails; in the context of sentient experience, time is something that cannot be excluded.  As sentient creatures, we perceive the physical dimension of time as a gradient of experience.  Eliminating the gradient of experience ceases cognitive, sentient operation.  If nothing changes, then nothing can be experienced.  You can eliminate the physical dimension of time all you want; but anything a sentient creature will experience will be perceived as some passage of time[1].

1.	Yes, I've done enough drugs to know that, while I've had experiences that feel 'timeless', I have always had the feeling and perception that some amount of time has passed, if not externally, then internally in my thought processes.  Don't do drugs.

that is way too deep for me.   I am just gonna answer with,,,, prove it.   I don't know the ins and outs of time but I did not think that sentients could not exist outside of time.  Every movie which addresses sentient timelesss creatures shows them as smart.

[jdawg70]

that is way too deep for me.   I am just gonna answer with,,,, prove it.   I don't know the ins and outs of time but I did not think that sentients could not exist outside of time.  Every movie which addresses sentient timelesss creatures shows them as smart.

I'm not sure I can prove it.  But it does at least make intuitive sense, yes?  Human perception of a flow of time is directly relate-able to changes of state.  If nothing changes, or if you do not experience anything (anything at all...not necessarily limited to just external stimuli - like having a thought), would you have an experience of time flowing?  If external time flowed, and absolutely nothing relating to 'you' has changed (had a thought, got poked with a needle, etc.), would you have experienced or know that time had flowed at all?

I'm making more of an argument regarding sentient perception, not really anything necessarily regarding the physical dimension of time.

[epidemic]

that is way too deep for me.   I am just gonna answer with,,,, prove it.   I don't know the ins and outs of time but I did not think that sentients could not exist outside of time.  Every movie which addresses sentient timelesss creatures shows them as smart.

I'm not sure I can prove it.  But it does at least make intuitive sense, yes?  Human perception of a flow of time is directly relate-able to changes of state.  If nothing changes, or if you do not experience anything (anything at all...not necessarily limited to just external stimuli - like having a thought), would you have an experience of time flowing?  If external time flowed, and absolutely nothing relating to 'you' has changed (had a thought, got poked with a needle, etc.), would you have experienced or know that time had flowed at all?

I'm making more of an argument regarding sentient perception, not really anything necessarily regarding the physical dimension of time.

Well I guess your decision to use the term "human perception".  Sorta pigeon holes you. 

Gods life must really suck because he is everywhere at everytime.  he knows all and sees all outcomes.  It is virtually impossible for him to be jealous, angry, surprised, upset, or happy.

[neopagan]

Well I guess your decision to use the term "human perception".  Sorta pigeon holes you. 

Gods life must really suck because he is everywhere at everytime.  he knows all and sees all outcomes.  It is virtually impossible for him to be jealous, angry, surprised, upset, or happy.

then god must be the one bored out of his freaking (limitless) mind   

[Nick]

That is why He has His ants (us) to play with.

[epidemic]

Can ants even be interesting to an omnipotent omnipresent being?

[naemhni]

Can ants even be interesting to an omnipotent omnipresent being?

If it weren't for the fact that the omnimax being created the ants and knows everything about them past present and future down to the smallest quark, I might say something like, "Yes, in a disinterested academic sense."  But since he did and does, I don't see how.

[neopagan]

If it weren't for the fact that the omnimax being created the ants and knows everything about them past present and future down to the smallest quark, I might say something like, "Yes, in a disinterested academic sense."  But since he did and does, I don't see how.

Then again, this is the same omnimax being who said insects have four legs in Leviticus... so maybe he has something to learn from the ant.