Well, EV organized your mess of a post, so I thought I'd give it a whirl.
Why, is the question man has been asking since Adam and Eve left the Garden.
I sure hope you're being metaphorical here. There was no real Adam or Eve or Eden.
Also, they didn't "leave", according to your mythology. They were kicked out because they had become like YHWH, knowing good and evil.
Your questioning God is nothing new or unique in its insight or even very imaginative.
That's good. If it were new, it'd mean people had blindly accepted religion without using their brains.
Without realizing it, you prove the existence of God by your own questioning.
Sorry, but that's the only positive reaction I can think of to such a flawed statement. The question demolishes any and all claims for a god that intervenes in humans' affairs by healing.
You demand proof. Why should He or any Evangelical Christian provide it for you?
If your beliefs are true, evidence
shouldn't be hard to provide.
If God healed an amputee, it would do nothing for you. It would not cause you to believe.
It would certainly cause some to doubt their non-belief. Personally, I wouldn't be moved, but that's another story.
We all believe in something. You believe in yourself and your own abilities to reason against God's existence.
Sorry, but you're just plain wrong. How about instead of asserting what you believe we believe, you ask
us what we believe?
The debate would benefit nobody. You only want to disprove His existence.
The debate has served to deconvert believers. It benefited them.
Also, we don't just want to disprove your god's existence. That's child's play. The main goal is to get people to see things in a rational way. At least that's my purpose. I can't speak for all atheists.
Belief in anything comes from within us.
We can agree on that. Belief comes from the brain.
You are your own God.
Do I seem omniscient and omnipotent to you? Benevolent, yes, but not omniscient or omnipotent.
You believe in you and only in what you can see.
Wrong. Again, assuming you know what we believe in rather than asking us. Ever heard of stereotyping?
You have no understanding of God's Word, but yet try to disprove it.
Why don't you sign up and explain to us why your view is the right one?
Human wisdom and understanding is limited.
Too true. The universe is nearly infinite, which means there's a near infinite number of things we don't know.
God's plan in the Bible is simple from front to back; He seeks to save that which is lost and loves very much.
Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
"I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.' But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn." So now the LORD says: "Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy. "On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together. My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings.
Doesn't sound so loving to Me. These are just some of the many examples of YHWH's cruelty. In fact, if you actually read the Bible, you'd see just how petty, bratty and child-like YHWH is.
That is what I believe.
Your belief is wrong, as per the Bible.
You want to believe in your own understanding.
So do you.
That certainly is your choice and I respect it. It would be futile for me or anyone else to try and persuade you and likewise it would be so for you to try and persuade me. We all live under the same conditions making our own choices.
Belief is not a choice. It's the end result of processing the evidence.
I defend with all I have your right to believe that there is no God and your right to preach it to all who will listen.
Atheists, by the very definition of the word, cannot preach. They also don't believe there's no god. They don't believe in a god. Huge difference that you're clearly not getting.
I wonder if our country and people such as you will defend my right to believe in a creator who loves me and sent His Son to die for me.
I'd defend your right to believe whatever you'd like, as long as you don't use your beliefs to justify causing harm to others
You pick verses you don't like; nor understand in any context and try to make them out to be brutal and uncaring.
Mind explaining why context makes those verses any better? How does YHWH sending two bears to kill little children just because they mocked a bald guy make sense (given that, according to you, YHWH loves us)?
You lack any understanding of the covenants God has made with the Jews and the gentiles.
Then join the forum and explain to us, oh mighty prophet, why it is that we're wrong. If you can, I guarantee you'll convert some people.
You challenge Christianity as a myth and spend much time and effort doing so.
a myth. A myth, by its very definition, is a collection of religious beliefs that attempt to explain where we come from.
I ask you sir; Why?
Maybe because theists use their beliefs to justify harming others. Maybe because theists are deluded and slow down scientific development. Ever heard of the dark ages? Or nowadays?
What do you have to offer mankind that God has not already provided?
Flying cars, hope, knowledge, medicine, more knowledge, food, assistance, even more knowledge... The list goes on. That's because your god is not real
, and so cannot provide anything.
What do you have for anyone to believe in? What do you have to give them when they believe as you do and refuse their eternal security in Christ? What help do you offer them when tragedies come, when loved ones die,
Atheists provide just as much assistance as theists, if not more so. We also provide it without the threat of hell or reward of heaven hanging over our heads. We are more peaceful (check the peace index on Wikipedia and match it against religiosity and you'll see a pattern emerging), more healthy (check the average lifespan and match it against religiosity), more educated (check the level of education versus
religiosity), have less abortions (you probably know what I'm going to say here), less crime, higher incomes...
or when we see the whole world is falling apart believing as you do.
I sure hope you're not implying the world is falling apart because of atheists. Theists are the ones who get elected as leaders. Theists are the ones who start wars in the name of their false gods. Theists are the ones who let their kids die because they don't believe in vaccines. You want peace? Start worshiping Me.
You have spent much time and effort challenging all Christians to prove why they believe in Christ. I wish you would truly love them and share what you have to give them when they turn their back on God. I fear you have nothing to give them that can ever replace what God has done for us; the forgiveness, the peace, the joy, and rest in all that He has promised.
I can promise a lot of shit too, Mr. #2748. That doesn't mean dick.
Also, as for love, I've loved many theists. I didn't attempt to change their minds about god either.
You would rather focus on what you "feel" God has not done or proven instead of trying to experience all that He has done.
He has done nothing
. When the choice is between "nothing" or "everything", I choose "everything". It's simply more logical.
Your challenges mean nothing.
They've helped deconvert some people, so they do mean something.
You take great pride in the fact that none accept your challenge.
Theists accept the challenge. They just fail miserably, like you have.
A debate has never saved even one.
Again, it's helped deconvert some people. It has saved them from the shackles of religion.
Any true lasting and meaningful relationship takes two parties to be committed.
Too true. I wonder why your god chooses to be absent then.
You are only committed to yourself. It is the inherited human nature from Adam for a man to be "wise in his own eyes" and full of himself.
I'm not full of Myself, AFAIK, nor am I committed only to myself.
For me, I choose to be full of Christ.
Bro(?), I don't mean to be disrespectful, but that sounds gay. And this is coming from a bisexual.
I will do so because not only have I found the Bible to be the Truth, but also I have witnessed it in my own relationship with the Father.
I'm sure you have a great relationship with your father. With your god... not so much.
My soul attests to the Truth of His Word. I am neither delusional nor programmed, as you would espouse.
You are both. You just don't realize it. You'd need to step outside your delusion bubble to be able to see things clearly.
Also, what is a soul? Can you provide evidence for it? Let me put it another way: can you provide evidence for any of your claims?
You are free to believe as you wish as all of us are. God gave that right to us; to choose.
Again, belief is not a choice.
Continue your challenge of God. What do you offer in place of Him? Will it satisfy all who hear it? Will it provide them any peace, any joy, or any comfort when the storms come?
I offer rationality in place of gods. It will satisfy all those who seek the truth. It will provide them peace, joy and comfort at any moment, just by knowing that they know the truth.
I say you have nothing to offer anyone who might choose to challenge God's existence. God is God. He will never change just because you demand proof of Him. The proof is in the relationship with Him and you lack that.
Most of us were christians at one point or another. We all became atheists. Strange, isn't it?
You want proof! There is only one way to find it. Give yourself to Him and all will be revealed to you. I know you will have an answer for all that I have said. I hope your answers hold up on the final Day of Judgment. For we all will know then for sure! [name removed]
Sorry, but I promised I wouldn't give myself to another man until I was ready.