1) God intervenes directly in the world. You say: yes and no. "God has choosen to work in the creation by the laws he made for the creation" - but also "Sertenly God interveins"
2) God does not intervene himself, but alters people's will so they intervene for him. You say: yes and no. "everything God wants to do on the Earth, he chooses to do trough people" - but also "he does not remove our mandate"
Bottom line? I'm confused.
God interveined in different ways through history, like when he lived and died as a person, then was raised from the dead. Now that's not a good story to tell a scientists, lest he could see Jesus himself, and run some tests on a supernatural DNA and organic cells. Yet God has his way of confirming this story, like when Paul was knocked of his horse on his way to arrest Christians, or to me once I was praying.
And once again....not a straight answer. It mostly SOUNDS like a "God intervenes directly in the world", but then there's the get-out that I've bolded, that seems to imply that you think god USED to intervene, but now does NOT in case he accidentally proves he exists(!).
So simple question, looking for a direct answer please. Does your god intervene directly in the world, yes or no?
Yes He do! Now was it Moses or God who split the Red sea from the story of exodus? Or did God just use Moses to show some people some of his existence? I hope that clarify what I meant in the first place. Blessings!
No. It does not.
You answered "DID my god intervene" - and even then, as has been pointed out, you were not direct.
My question was, "DOES your god intervene in the world?" Does he take direct action to alter the course of events in the world?
See my signature line? I am running a thread on why believers find it so bloody hard to answer simple and direct questions. As is normal, you are hedging your bets and tiptoeing carefully around the subject.....why? Are you so unsure of your god and your theology? Are you scared that a direct answer to a simple question will reveal glaring holes in your belief?
Hey! I'm sorry I’m not able to reply all the messages here. I see some good feedbacks and I want to have a good dialog, but again it comes to prioritizing. Some of this might be off topic to why God won’t heal amputees, yet it’s straight on topic for the source of this question. Now as I see it the source of the question and the atmosphere here addresses how “smart” people can believe in God. So for me as an “educated” born again Christian and so, one of the representative subjects for the criticism, I will do my best to communicate my position and to be open and educated to yours.
Firs of about my priorities I’m not afraid to afraid to answer any questions, but there is just so many I’m not competent to give an answer too. I did not major in Philosophy or Science, so I will probably not give the right deontological, consequential reasoning, or any empiric based conclusions. My insights of Theology will of course also be limited. Still I did find engineering on the list, but read me for what I am, and don’t expect me to be the Oracle of Christianity, or a stereotype of “educated Christians”. My field is construction, and my focus in life will often be the big lines, rather than details. One of the biggest lines is the meaning of life. From doing a holistic observation I find that I am longing for the world to be more of a paradise for all people, and I can’t help but to question myself why the situation for most people are so far form that. From Aristotle the worker has desire, the warrior has passion/emotions and the leader has reasoning. Then the leader needs to educate the others to get a good society. I see myself more as a worker or a soldier, than a leader. However somewhere in my education the leader failed, as I spent 16 years in school, and yet did not understand the core existence of life. I was taught but one theory of existence, and not any depth of it. So if anyone wants people to grow up without believing in God, please let them know why it’s more logical that:
A) A random explosion created the first structure of organic matter with some DNA Chromosomes and protein cell walls from Carbon and other eternal matter, and then evolved by natural selection.
B) God whom somehow speaks to people’s heart made it for a reason by design, because He can and He wanted to. Even though the matter part was easy to Him, the free will and discerning good and evil seems to have taken some more time.
Now it might be that I’m just under educated, but I think such an important question for the base of life and choices should be better explained even for the workers and soldiers, otherwise they might believe in anything by philosophy and craftiness of leaders. Especially the Christians leaders you know…
Or even Darwin’s grandfather who believed in the philosophy of evolution before Charles was born. Now often we find what we look for to make sense of this mystery called life. But to me it’s not Okay to mock Christians for being stupid because they can’t prove Gods existence, lest you teach them more than a half logical philosophy mixed with science during their primary education. If we are descendants of the apes how comes our organs are more like that of pigs? If information on DNA are lost, like blond hair will be extinguished, how comes we “evolves”? So despite my education, I still can’t make any better sense of life than to believe God exists. Then I might assume it’s easy for God too heal amputees, but to bless us with the opportunity to learn the difference between good and evil, He has not yet eliminated evil, and its consequences. Like that from a land mine, and so it might just be that He can only do what we have faith fore. And I’m sorry to say that my faith has not yet provided me to see any “proving” miracles. Yet my heart, my feelings and till further educated my mind tells me it’s more logical that God made this. Then in our mystery life as we see it we are subjects to time because of decay. And we measure it in ordnance with the structure of our quite accurate universe, with gravity and speed vectors for e.g. the earth and the moon.
Then we have a value and a potential that God has created rather than nature. He has a plan for His “kingdom come” on earth as in heaven, and I can be a part of that plan. So I can design and build by his will the society that provides what He asked form us in Matthew 25:
- Integration for all people
- Freedom to those in captivity, or at least visitation and education so “workers, soldiers and leaders” will find their right way and purpose in life, rather than being a tool for evil.
It’s a society based on tree core values of Gods kingdom, righteousness, peace and joy. It’s a kingdom of freedom, yet no desire or need of evil. And we can build our cities and countries as close to that ideal as possible. But we should not be surprised if we face some opposition, we call him the Devil. Now if anyone has a desire to question the spiritual sphere of life I would like to find an opportunity to expose us to some opposites in the Satanic and Christian atmosphere, but I guess we can find more of this just by searching the internet. It would however be interesting if someone could do some science experiment on this part of life as well. But I will prioritize my strength, which is within practical side of life, as workers do. I desire to construct in ways that people may have a better environment to grow up in. Therefor I leave science and philosophy to someone more designed for that. But again please educate me about a “better” view of life, but don’t give me any half scientific answers, and then call me stupid. Cern has been running for some years now, but I still don’t see logic to such an important statement as “God does not exist”. And please make the logic understandable for “workers and soldier” that we might be kept from dilutions.