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Offline Godless Pope

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How To Lose In Politics
« on: May 15, 2013, 01:45:58 PM »
The godless are intellectually barefoot. They have an IQ south of four. They will lose the culture war.

Think about it. How is progress actually made in society? Take Islamic ones which I know best. In Tunisia, the founder of the state, Habib Bourguiba, did not come out as an atheist. He claimed to be a moderate Muslim and under the guise of moderation, his government banned the hijab, forbade wearing beards, legalized prostitution and pushed through sweeping secular reforms. He legislated like an atheist, but did not say anything publicly against Islam that might alarm the godly.

Progress.

In Turkey his counterpart Kemal Ataturk took his country from a caliphate, installed a secular constitution, discouraged the Islamic headscarf and paved the way for gay bars to flourish in Istanbul. He did this without being drawn into tedious arguments about scripture. He may have been an atheist, but to his people he was a liberal Muslim.

Progress.

Politicians everywhere conceal their true convictions with the eagerness of a rapist set loose in a brothel. The truth is just too hot for the masses. As an example of the reverse, in the United States Mitt Romney was pro-choice as the Governor of Massachusetts in spite of his Mormonism, and famously passed universal healthcare before it was a gleam in the eye of Precedent Obama, but as soon as he ran for prez, he took one glance at the polls and decided that dissing abortion was the way to executive power. Did he suddenly discover that his Church was not cool with terminations? Fuhgeddaboutit.

It was pure opportunism.

George Bush the Elder too was pro-choice till he ran for the oval office. Perhaps he too discovered the existence of the Bible at the eleventh hour. Fiddlesticks. Just vote whoring. Neither would have touched Roe v. Wade.

People are averse to politicians and lawmakers for being economical with the truth, but is truth the greatest virtue when dealing with easily inflamed dolts who stand in the way of progress?
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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2013, 02:09:39 PM »
NOt only that but in the USA you also have to deny climate change, evolution, and how old the Earth is.
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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2013, 02:43:11 PM »
Nick, my old china, my pretty boy, why don't you run for the top job as an evangelical Christian? Once in you can legislate as a godless heathen like those Muslim statesmen I mentioned. You won't though will you because atheists are big mouths who want to tell the world what they believe. That is why you guys will lose.

Romney is about as religious as Obama, but he plays the Christian Right like the current Chief Executive played the antiwar crowd. God bless Machiavellian politics.
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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2013, 03:00:19 PM »
Amazing how many hard-core family values religious people there are in US politics these days. I guess we radical atheists are too straightforward and honest. We are just not cynical enough to succeed in electoral politics. 

Ironic, ain't it? :P
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 03:08:12 PM »
Obama is probably an atheist who plays the Christian card for politics and maybe his family.  Romney on the other hand is a "true" believer.  A Mormon bishop who plays by all the Mormon rules.  He really thinks some day he will be a god with his own planet of people to rule over.

I would never go into politics.  No sane person would.  Look at the hypocrisy and bullshit you have to put up with 24/7.  And the money game will make you dirty if you don't already start out that way.
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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 04:04:31 PM »
NoGodsForMe

Honesty is for losers. Dubya understood that. So he promised the country a humble foreign policy knowing that Clintonian interventionism would not fly even as he made plans to invade Eye-rack with the enthusiasm of Crusaders sacking Jerusalem. If he was lying about that, why take his religious professions seriously?

The world needs more cynics and less truth-mongers. To get elected the peace activist has to say: I will Nuke Iran because God gave America the biggest dick in the world so we can urinate on the rest and make ourselves strong and free.

He will get the support of the arms industry and patriots everywhere. But when he steps into the White House he can proceed to gut Defence Spending and dismantle America's global military bases. Lying is the name of the game. You should run for office. I will be your campaign adviser. But I charge lots of $$$.




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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 04:12:53 PM »
Nick

There is more evidence that Romney is a disbeliever than Barry. He will say anything and everything to get elected. One moment he's for killing babies, the next he is not. It's the same Mormon Bishop. He will piss on the Church whenever it is politically advantageous. Napoleon said that God is on the side with the biggest artillery, but Mitt understands that the Cloud Dweller is on the side with the biggest fibber. If there was any votes to be had in libertinism, Mitt would star in gay porn. That is the true mark of the scoffer and the mocker.

When has Obama ever taken the Church for such a ride? Never. So Mitt wins the devil's prize hands down.
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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 04:37:40 PM »
My point is that Mitt plays the game.  That is why he has taken every position at one time or another.  He has done that to down play his Mormon beliefs.  People still see Mormonism as a cult so he has had to do what he does in politics.  If he had been elected president then you can bet he would have worked to make the Mormon Church more of a power in American life.  He is a fake...that is for sure...just a religious one.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 04:55:09 PM »
Sorry, but I think the world has enough liars and cynics already. Look who succeeds in business as well as politics, show biz and religion (which combines the previous three areas).

Maybe you are right, but it is going to be pretty hard to find someone who is both a idealistic liberal peace-and-lovenik and an expert in the fine art of realpolitik. That would entail a willingness to lie convincingly to the public for their own good, and at the same time not lose long-term focus during the screwage process.

It would be a scary person who managed to do that.  :o
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 06:02:14 PM »
So, in other words, truthful people should stay out of politics and instead form popular movements, where truth is not only accepted, but encouraged.  Take Martin Luther King Jr., for example.  He was arguably the most successful civil rights leader of that entire period, but he would probably have been a horrible politician.

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 06:23:48 PM »
Here in NY there was a  Republican Senator named Steven Saland.  He is known to be a Catholic.  But he voted for the Marriage Equality Bill because he said it was the right thing to do.  The Catholics threw a fit, wanted him excommunicated, some other douchebag Republican ran against him and he ended up losing his seat to a Democrat.  I am registered Independent.  I usually lean more toward Dems than Republicans.  I wasn't able to vote because I had a high fever but I would have voted for him this time just because he voted for what was right instead of what the church told him to vote for.
It doesn't make sense to let go of something you've had for so long.  But it also doesn't make sense to hold on when there's actually nothing there.

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 12:30:13 AM »
Godless, you are ducking what a political candidate really is. He/She is not just a person, a politician has oodles of monetary support, and supporting religion is the surest way to get the big bucks. Michelle Bachmann even tripled her campaign contributions for senator AND president after opening her "pray the gay away" facility in Minneapolis. (That was opened with tax dollars, by the way.)

PACs and SuperPACs are largely filled with super rich people who support religious charities, religious studies and religious onslaughts. Even a good humanist/atheist like Richard Branson might have enough cash to run his own campaign, but he won't get the votes without showing a support to what the contributors feel is important. Imagine all of the political contributions that came from the PACs end up entirely to the other candidate who is allegedly religious.
2nd of all, if all you believe in is peer-reviewed papers, you won't go very far in life...

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 01:48:38 PM »
^ IAmFirst

How many of those rich ballers in the SuperPACS are really tight with JC? Not many. They are fakes in it for the Benjamins. Christ was a commie. Few rich boys are his fan. It's all a con job. That is why you have to run for public office as an evangelical too and game the system.

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 01:59:08 PM »
LoriPinkAngel

Are you sure the Catholic Republican was not pulling a Kemal Ataturk and claiming to be a Cross Worshipper only to subvert the church from within? We need more heroes like that. Trouble is, the typical atheist prizes the sins of the flesh too much to pretend to be a meek Christian for the purpose of infiltration.

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2013, 02:44:53 PM »
"Sins of the flesh"...I'm I missing something?  I want my cut. ;)
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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2013, 03:01:56 PM »
Swing by my local mosque Nick. I'm the impressively bearded imam there and Fridays are all about getting nekkid with some Fatimas.

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2013, 04:14:14 PM »
Self-honesty, sins of the flesh...they're the same thing, right?
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2013, 07:50:56 AM »
 ... just air your intellectual thoughts in public. That's all.

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Re: How To Lose In Politics
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2013, 08:12:35 AM »
.....is truth the greatest virtue when dealing with easily inflamed dolts who stand in the way of progress?

The ends justify the means?  Lie, lie, and lie again for a cause I believe in?  Not sure I could old bean - especially given that (as atheists) our goal is the removal of lies.  I don't think that using a lie to get rid of a lie is the best way to go about things.

Also, consider the effect if it all came out.  "Atheist lies to get into office" scream the headlines, and every True Believer says "see!  I TOLD you those atheists were liars who should never be trusted!"
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
Why is it so hard for believers to answer a direct question?

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2013, 03:17:15 PM »
Plus, if you tell the truth you don't have to have nearly as good a memory. :D
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.