Screw tape, Chronos, I've got the idea that you guys don't like open carry. And screw tape doesn't like gun ownership? Correct me, I didn't go through the whole thread.
Screwtape is one word.
It's much more complicated than that. I do not like idiots with guns. I do not like open carry (because it is mainly idiots who do it). I do not like concealed carry (because it is mainly idiots who do it). I do not mind responsible
people keeping guns at home
. But there are several problems with that.
First, most people are idiots and responsible people are few. Idiots will do dumb things and people will get hurt. But at least if they are home it reduces the likelihood of the rest of us paying the price.
Second, one of the points of this thread is that even responsible people make mistakes. So, even they will cost a few lives. There was a guy not too long ago who accidentally shot his own kid. He was a gun safety instructor for many years in the military. Even he admitted the irony of that.
Third, the law does very little to ensure idiots do not get guns and does little to take them away even after they have shown they are irresponsible idiots.
Fourth, the rest of us often pay for their mistakes. If you read my conversation with epidemic, you will see that. If you listen to gun guys after the most recent shooting, you will see that.
It bothers me that they justify their hobby with made-up, lofty ideals (protecting Freedom from Tyrants) that are really just bullshit. See Dante's rather high bar as to what it would take to motivate him to use his guns to end tyranny.
I like guns. I have handled and shot guns for fun since I was a kid. I have never hunted and never killed an animal beyond some grasshoppers and caterpillars. I do not own one for several reasons. Statistically speaking, they do not make you more safe. They make you less safe. There is a link I posted in this thread or another with data that show you are 5 times more likely to be shot if you own a gun. In violent crimes, you are 5 times more likely to be shot if you have a gun and 4 times more likely to be killed than an unarmed person.
Most people who get shot are not intruders set on raping you to death. Most people who get shot are friends and family of the shooter. And it is usually over a stupid argument, augmented by alcohol.
I do not advocate taking away all guns. I would not oppose it, but I do not advocate it. I just want the senseless, unnecessary and racist violence to stop.
I am willing to compromise and settle on sensible laws and regulations that actually work. Unfortunately, the spokespeople for the gun owners are unreasonable, paranoid and crazy. They do not want compromise or sensible laws. They seem to want anarchy and civil war.
I suggest you go through the whole thread. There was an older thread too. And there is a thread about the gun nuts in Nevada that is related to the issue of guns.
But this thread is supposed to be about bone headed gun accidents. For the last year and a quarter, Daily Kos has found an average of about 40 gun fails every week. It does not inlcude intentional murders or suicides. Just dumb accidents. So many dead kids and adults over dumb accidents and Joe Wurzlebacher's constitutional right.