Next comes Median's first Reply
here we go;
Believe First and You will See
Many got lost over the long post and forgot the thought;
"If you dont believe you can, you cant, coz you wont"
When I discussed about my business, Some say, "no its not true", "no thats not how it works" or "thats how cons work".
First, id like to say it works, and im thankful coz it works that way, otherwise if it doesnt, id be broke and a lot of people would be suing me.
Another thing, I dont make business proposals, I go to the prospect partner which i believe would need my business and tell him straight the basic thing he need to know, which is how he would earn. If he believes the system, then we start working and he start earning if he doesnt, i leave him alone for a while, I come back again when I think hes ready. Coz I believe everyone wants to earn, some are just not ready yet.
Some say, Trust or Confidence is what you give in Business and Not Belief.
How do you trust something or have confidence in something you absolutely dont believe in?
Would you really put your money out on a business you dont believe would work?
Another postulated that before you enter a business, you study it first, gather data, etc. And the moment you do that, youre already past the Believing Before Seeing part.
I ought to thank you for implying that you believed first before doing the research, by saying you are "past" that.
But I still have a question left about that;
During the times of gathering the data for the Feasibility Study for the preparation of your business, is your business already there? I think not yet, right?
First, can you please address us individually, and not with these giant posts that don't quote our words? You keep misrepresenting what we have said and I think it's b/c you are trying to tackle everyone at once. So, learn how to use the quote function here and address us one by one, please.
Ok I will try to answer you all individually.
1. You say, "It works" in regards to just believing a business proposition before seeing it. Do you really believe a business proposition before seeing it, or do you TEST it? If someone brings you a business proposition, you begin to test it, and if it fails would you say that you actually believed it completely or that you were withholding judgment until you got the test results? Trying something out doesn't imply belief. It is quite foolish to "believe" in a business model you haven't had the opportunity to test. So no, we do not "believe before seeing". On the contrary, we place tentative trust AFTER the testing and not before.
Nope, I say "it works" meaning "my business works" and im not talking about the "business proposition" is what one would be believing before seeing but the business itself. A proposition or business model is all words and numbers, its not a business yet, so you cant really see the business yet because it isnt there yet, but would you believe the business?
Would you do it if you dont believe it will ever work?(question unanswered)
If you would still do it despite the fact that you dont believe it would ever work out then thats weird. Really?
As Ive said "If you dont believe you can, You cant coz you wont"
Testing is already the act of doing it, still comes around the question would you waste your time testing something you believe wont ever work?
2. You don't make business proposals? Yes you do, in verbal form. And if your "proposal" is one that you are claiming works for everyone, then that claim can be tested. No, not by a self-test but by actual research under controlled conditions. Are you arguing that your business works for everyone (like you're arguing that your religion does)? Also, you claim "if he believes in the system" and I'm arguing that such an idea is foolish. Tentative trust (under trial) is NOTHING like "believing before seeing" like you are trying to use for your god belief because, again, there is demonstrable evidence that can be provided for businesses - not so for your Yahweh belief.
Actually, In my way, dont propose the business, i just explain the system and what the result would be, the guy sees the system and asks if he could be part of it and how, if he doesnt ask that, i wont bother asking him if he wants to be part of it. Its easier and much more productive to work with people who are interested, faster results.
3. Businesses that put their money out on a risk, without doing any research or homework, don't last. That is called FOOLISH. And this was my earlier point (which you failed to address). Once research begins, your idea of "believing before seeing" makes no sense. I can run a business (i.e. - test it) without believing that it will succeed. And if the business starts going south, I can (and will) bail out! Will you bail out if you discover your Jesus beliefs are based in irrational arguments? B/c this is exactly what I would do if your business model was based on faulty reasoning.
Tell me, would you trust in my business proposal (and financially invest significant money in it) if it was completely irrational? I think not, and this is why your example is a failed analogy.
Then dont put their money at risk in the first place, when they put out their money, give them products and services that is Value For Their Money, so ROI is immediate, no risk, not Foolish.
Now when it comes to Jesus, i wonder why your reply is so Jesus-centric, what do you have against the man really?
The Bibles words i treat as a system for my life to follow, i believe it so i do it and it works.
Some would go all too philosophical and ask if "would you kill your son if god asks you to?"
Im saying that kind of remark shows they just dont get it. Its simply an extreme example of obedience.People tend to concentrate on the details of the story and forget all about the things that could be learned from it.
I have proven this in actuality here in this thread. I gave an extreme example and the replies came with Personal Attacks, but the guy who seems to be master of Logical Fallacies dare not say anything against it. Why? because he too is so into the details of the story and not at the idea being conveyed.
4. Businesses are demonstrable. Your God Yahweh is not. And I did NOT (in any way) imply that "believing" in a business came before seeing the results of a test. This is what you seem to be incapable of wrapping your mind around. Ever hear of a person who said, "I believed wholeheartedly that my business would succeed, but it failed." This happens all the time. People get themselves into bad/irrational business ventures (and they believe it will work) but it fails. Ever see Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsey? People believe in irrational nonsense all the time, and this is a perfect example of your Christianity - irrational nonsense.
Based on your sentence: "I believed wholeheartedly that my business would succeed, but it failed."
Question: Did that person Believe or Not?
Have you also heard of people who Believed they will succeed and they did gain Success later on?
Theres more people like that.
***Believe you can and you're halfway there.
-- Theodore Roosevelt
Theodore "T.R." Roosevelt, Jr. was the 26th President of the United States.
***If you believe you can, you probably can. If you believe you won't, you most assuredly won't. Belief is the ignition switch that gets you off the launching pad.
-- Denis Waitley
Denis E. Waitley (born 1933), is an American motivational speaker and writer, consultant and best-selling author.
Now maybe they're wrong and you are right, is that it?
So basically, your words and your actions don't line up here. On one hand you SAY that you "believe before seeing" but if that was the case you would believe (and invest in) an irrational business model (like you are doing with your Christianity). All things are possible right! But you don't do that, and neither does nearly any successful business person. We follow the evidence and reject the irrational. Have you done that with your religion? I think not.
So if you are pennyless and say you have a great business idea, you're going to start a business and i'd be the financier, you tell me that your business would earn me millions if i finance it, you are saying that I should be asking you to show me the millions first as evidence that it would indeed earn me millions before i release you the money to start it up? Thats irrational.
Found this on the internet; Theres a small businessman, trying to earn a few hundreds a day. He had the idea of a feasible business and decided to borrow around $300,000 to start it up. Now he is a Multimillionaire approx 140 Million Dollars Net Worth as of June last year. His name, Edgar Sia II.
If the person he borrowed from didnt believe
his idea and asked for evidence
(that it will earn) first, which he cant supply, i wonder where he would be now.
Or maybe this guy's story is Wrong and your idea of "But you don't do that, and neither does nearly any successful business person." is Correct, is that it?
Ill answer the next post later after T-Time, got to go for now