Forced? How utterly ridiculous. You choose to participate in a forum which aims to attract Christians, who more often than not only involve themselves in a thread once it is already underway.
I said that in order to argue effectively against you, I am forced to step inside of your argument. Not once did I say I am forced to come here. You were mistaken.
The implication, surely though, is that it is necessaty for you to argue against Christianity at all.
Admittedly, I did take that implication and address it rather than the specific claim you made. So I apologise, and yes Azdgari in that sense I concede you were correct to call me on it.
These threads, of course, oscillate through a very predictable cycle of pointing out the apparent horror of living in the richest land on earth and it's prevalance of religion. Then, once the thread has a Christian participating, somebody plasters images of starving African children across the screen. See any irony in that? Claiming to be victims whilst highighting just how good your lives actually are?I never said that my life was bad. In fact, I live a great life. A wonderful life. In spite of the religious fucktards that I am surrounded by in the bible belt, I've managed to carve out a pretty good existence all on my own, and as long as I remain a semi-closeted atheist (because I fear losing my job to those good, wonderful Christians who might fire me for not believing the same fairy tale as them), I'll continue to live that life.
Yes, my point was more an observation of the forum as a whole. I'm sort of curious though, what life circumstances brought you to the bible belt? New England strikes me as being a much less conservative area of the states. And when you say semi-closeted atheist, does that mean you simply avoid conversations to do with God? Are there such conversations? Surely they know you don't attend church?
Let me ask you MM... Would you judge someone to be a good person if they treated you like a king, but kicked the shit out of millions of other people for what appears to be no reason at all? Do you have a problem with me judging that person as bad? Would it not be the height of selfishness to judge him good?
Hypothetically, and in order: No, no and yes.
But what person are you talking about, and how have they done those things?
The religious intolerance claim is pretty bloody thin. Some more irony: if you're not high fiving each other for being cycnical enough to paste images of starving kids on the screen, you're bitching and moaning about Christians harrassing gay people, or picketing abortion clinics, or whatever. What does that reflect? Dissatisfaction about somebody's freedom to live as they please being screwed with, right? Right? But what's a broken record argument against the existence of the Christian God on the forum? That suffering is allowed to occur. That He allows people to live as they please.
For fucks sake MM, do you even hear what you're saying? What is the objective difference between a god that doesn't exist and one that 'allows people to live as they please'? Let me give you a hint... there isn't one. That's why it's a good argument against the Christian God.
No, it isn't, because at its core is simply "I can't see God, I can't verify God the way I can verify other things". That can lead you to 'God doesn't exist' or it can lead you to 'God isn't like other things'. Which, of course, He isn't.
We bitch and moan, and rightfully so, against the Christians who harass gay people, picket abortion clinics and the like, precisely because of the reasons you said.
I don't blame anybody for bitching and moaning about that, because that behaviour is, often, reprehensible.
Would you say your compulsion to, for instance, debate at this forum would be diminished if such overt displays of intolerance were non-existent?
The reason people do that stuff is because of their 'belief' in God and their 'belief' that God wants certain things, not because God really exists.
There are many bad behaviours exhibited by people who try to justify it with Christian beliefs. True. Just as their are many bad behaviours exhibited by people who try to justify it 1000 other ways. In all cases, the root cause of the bad behaviour is not the thing they use to justify it, but rather their own rotten hearts. The heart of the problem is the problem of the heart.
You are not forced to argue against the existence of God. You want to. You enjoy it.
I believe Christianity and religion are, on the whole, terrible for the world and that is why I think it's important to argue against it. In that respect, I feel I need to argue against it. That it's important to argue against it.
I disagree, but its way too much to get into.
Even if that was true, it doesn't begin to explain the most committed Christians I personally know, the ones force fed atheism through school but recognising God despite it.
LOL! I think you confuse 'force fed atheism' in schools with 'not teaching Christianity' in schools.
'Force fed atheism' might be a stretch, but I speak from personal experience and significant anecdotal evidence when I say that public school curriculums weigh very heavily towards atheism. I have a good example from my wifes university lecture recently, but it would take forever to type.
You make it sound like school is the only place where children are taught things.
Of course it isn't. They're taught next to nothing at school compared to what they learn from infancy at the hands of that great loungeroom God, the TV. Good luck hearing about God on TV in Australia. Our national broadcaster is overtly anti-Christian.
People get God from church and being indoctrinated into it. That's why they get to the kids as early as they can. They don't withhold religious teaching until a child turns 18, and then hand them 5 different religious books and tell them to pick the right one. If they did that, then nobody would 'recognize God'.
Yeah, nobody apart from the thousands upon thousands who do
come to faith in God external to that upbringing. And as I said, in my expereince they are the most committed Christians that exist.
I'll have to try and respond to the rest of your post anther time sorry.