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Don't be lazy now. You did ask. It's only a summary. If you want the full historical record you'll have to wait for the book.
In the above saying, GOT2#, Jesus says...
How do you know what "Jesus" said? You just admitted the bible has made up false shit in it. It seems you are cherry picking.
In the above saying, GOT2#, Jesus says seek and find (Cerca Trova), not seek and believe. Belief can bring us closer to this thing called Go(o)d but never as close as knowledge. And this distinction between finding or knowing something and believing something, that may be of great significance in understanding the relationship between power and religion.
Your "Jesus" says to believe and places lots of stress on it in many places (Rom 10, Mark 16, John 14, etc, etc, etc). Again, you are cherry picking bible verses to fit your ASSUMED interpretation (theology). How backwards! Where is your critical thinking?
In this Jesus saying, Jesus places little value on prophecy.
And in other places he talks (allegedly) quite heavily about prophesies. This is b/c the bible itself is filled with direct contradictions. It is not a reliable source for separating fact from fiction regarding anything "spiritual" (not to mention that term has no meaning and is pure nonsense). "Spiritual"? Really? Please demonstrate that in non-vague terms.
These people then make go(o)d choices to reconcile to that reality perception and accept their mistakes honestly.
Yes, such as the mistake in thinking there is anything such as the "spiritual", supernatural, or mystical.
A fundamental threat for peace is selfishness and the untruths that self interested behaviours give rise to.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Rational selfishness is something that everyone practices and is necessary for human survival and well-being. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with selfishness in and of itself, and I would be willing to bet that you practice all sorts of "self interested behaviors" all the time, which you likely have no problem accepting as fine and moral. Did you eat some food or drink some water today? How selfish!
This is called intellectual hypocrisy.
Here's a strange one, that never made the Bible.
Exactly. So now you've just shown yourself why your beliefs are unreliable without even realizing you've done it! Man created the bible, and all of it's myths - not any god, deity, or supernatural 'thing'. So we can chuck it out as pure hogwash (just like the other religious texts) and simply live our lives free of the BS that you call "spiritual" b/c there is no good reason for thinking there is any such thing.
And why doesn't Paul/Saul the apostle refer to any Jesus miracles in his main letters. Letters fundamental to teachings in the Christian Bible?
Because Paul (the Godfather of Jebus faith) didn't see any Jebus, never believed in any miracles, and made the whole thing up based on hearsay.
I began to intuitively feel that all the sayings had some value in terms of understanding the human spiritual condition
And that sir, was the beginning of your epic failure - merely ASSUMING there is such thing as "spirituality" (whatever that means) while following your first intuitions (which are often mistaken and fallible) is exactly backwards. In other words, starting from your conclusion, instead of doing disinterested investigation, is why you have this massive one page conspiracy sounding website which has no credibility. You just sound like a gullible and self-misguided hack - trying to go rogue and find some 'secret truth' - like Joseph Smith or something. It's really anti-intellectual sounding, sad, and absurd.
If I had to guess at a distinguishing characteristic for the sayings that were not in the Bible, it would be that those sayings were more about a personal relationship with the nature of understanding spirituality.
Some notable key differences between the Jesus interpretation you find in the Gospel of Thomas and the Jesus interpretation in the Bible are
-miracles, prophecies, devils and angels are absent from the Gospel of Thomas collection
-the sayings collection advocates a search for something that could be known with defined outcomes in life, rather than a position of faith or an afterlife scenario with dramatic and polar consequences.
-The bible seems to be a carrot and stick approach to spiritual maturity, where as the Gospel of Thomas seems to be more about guidance, personal effort, personal choice and karma.
There's your big assumption (and the beginning of your error) in glaring bold print.
So you picked the myth that was more suited to your assumptive preferences (what you personally wanted the text to be saying). So basically, you did exactly what nearly every religious person does - choose the superstitious interpretation that makes you feel most comfortable. That's nice for your personal emotional quest for good feelings but it isn't a reliable pathway for separating fact from fiction.
In essence, I now tend to think that there was, at least, 5 related corruption events that have adversely affected the way that many people interpret or think about the human spiritual condition and this thing we call Go(o)d.
For now, here is a brief summary of those corruptions.
It's interesting how you mention philosophy and people such as Plato , albeit in passing, but then start with assumptions like "authentic spirituality" - as if that has any meaning here. Well, I'm sorry but it doesn't. That term is simply a nonsense word for the gullible, in order to open the door for non-demonstrable, unfalsifiable, intellectually slippery superstition
...and the logical fallacy called The Argument From Ignorance
Finally, I really like some of the quotations in your article (Einstein etc). You have one that says, "I'd Rather Have A Mind Opened By Wonder Than One Closed By Belief."
That's excellent! So how about practicing what you preach. How about opening your mind to "wonder", and education, instead of believing
in your "spirituality" nonsense??
There are multiple other nonsense things on your website I could response to but I won't b/c it likely won't do any go(o)d. If you'd like to discuss them just ask and I'll create a forum topic for it so we can go step by step through the gullible claims you have made there.
p.s. - Making up your own word called "Go(o)d", and using it in a way that no one but you can understand is also nonsense. It is called The Fallacy of Equivocation.
PLEASE STOP USING IT UNTIL YOU HAVE DEFINED WHAT YOU MEAN!
As per this topic, I would also like to know what it would take for you to change your worldview regarding "spirituality".