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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2013, 02:51:39 AM »
Just bookmarking so that this thread appears in my "show new replies to your posts" list.
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
Why is it so hard for believers to answer a direct question?

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 07:01:41 PM »
Please answer the hypothetical question junebug72. The reason this is uncomfortable for you right now is because Anfauglir is simply using your own tactic against you. If you were being truly intellectually honest with yourself you'd realize immediately why non believers do not accept such non-answers. SMH

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2013, 07:07:05 PM »
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 07:47:57 AM »
Good luck Anf, I don't envy you the task.

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 10:16:41 AM »
Color me cynical, but I have a feeling this debate won't end well...
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 11:37:02 AM »
Why has Pianodwarf posted in the main debate thread?  :o
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 11:49:02 AM »
Why has Pianodwarf posted in the main debate thread?  :o

Because he wasn't paying attention.  Sorry.  I'll go delete it if I can -- if not, would a global or admin get it for me?
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2013, 02:15:16 PM »
Anfauglir ,

Junebug has left the building (see the "belief is not a bad thing" thread).

Apparently, laying down rules for evidence was too much for her.  I hate to say it, but I was right in thinking this wouldn't end well.  No wait, I was wrong; it barely even started.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2013, 06:34:26 PM »
Color me cynical, but I have a feeling this debate won't end well...
It's pretty much over already.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2013, 07:57:38 PM »
I don't post much around here anymore, but I've been keeping up with this debate. Unfortunately, I suspected Anfauglir's opponent would fold like that, and even before he got to use the UFO gambit.  :)

Cheers to you Anfauglir. But such a task, given out opponent's mind virus, has too many times been shown to be too hard a nut to crack.

Good try though.

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2013, 01:10:15 AM »
If I've managed to make her think, then maybe at least I will have accomplished something.  Sadly I think it was pretty clear from the start that she had no intention ever of discussing evidence, just in preaching her unsubstantiated beliefs.   :(
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
Why is it so hard for believers to answer a direct question?

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2013, 01:44:34 AM »
I don't post much around here anymore, but I've been keeping up with this debate. Unfortunately, I suspected Anfauglir's opponent would fold like that, and even before he got to use the UFO gambit.  :)

Cheers to you Anfauglir. But such a task, given out opponent's mind virus, has too many times been shown to be too hard a nut to crack.

Good try though.

I thought they were too stupid to crack?

I could be wrong.

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2013, 11:02:29 AM »
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I accepted this debate to talk about the existence of God. I don't care if John believes in socks. I know too much about socks. I wear them on my feet everyday.

Even when plainly stated, Junebug still manages to miss the point.

That in itself is a remarkable achievement.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 11:35:03 AM »
Even when plainly stated, Junebug still manages to miss the point.


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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2013, 08:01:55 PM »
I don't post much around here anymore, but I've been keeping up with this debate. Unfortunately, I suspected Anfauglir's opponent would fold like that, and even before he got to use the UFO gambit.  :)

Cheers to you Anfauglir. But such a task, given out opponent's mind virus, has too many times been shown to be too hard a nut to crack.

Good try though.

I thought they were too stupid to crack?

I could be wrong.

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2013, 08:12:37 PM »
^ahhhh

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »
Am I the only one who cringes everytime junebug72 uses the word 'reason'?

I feel like every time she types it a dictionary out there somewhere bursts into flames...
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2013, 11:21:56 AM »
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I'm not ready to meet God.

Apparently, Junebug has never met god, but thinks he's a swell guy.  Go figure.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2013, 04:24:54 PM »
Biblegod's the sweat I wipe from my b...wait, what?

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2013, 07:42:18 AM »
I felt God's presence as I have many times since coming to this website. Right there is your evidence.

See I told you, you would deny all evidence.  Deny it all you want it doesn't make it so. You said I can decide what is evidence I say this is strong evidence, absolute evidence, evidence you can not deny.

Lost.  Cause.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2013, 08:04:29 AM »
I felt God's presence as I have many times since coming to this website. Right there is your evidence.

See I told you, you would deny all evidence.  Deny it all you want it doesn't make it so. You said I can decide what is evidence I say this is strong evidence, absolute evidence, evidence you can not deny.

Lost.  Cause.
Did you not see both the bold and the underline?  Doesn't get more compelling than that.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2013, 08:11:30 AM »
OMG, I totally missed that!  Looks like I'll be taking the rest of the day off, I've got some repenting to do!
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2013, 01:19:07 PM »
I don't usually even read the debates, but it usually boils down to two things:
-they feel god
-there must be a creator

Has there ever been anyting else claimed as proof of god?

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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2013, 11:46:03 AM »
So apparently, Junebug had no intention of ever debating Anfauglir.  It was all a ruse.  She just wanted to preach.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2013, 10:23:29 PM »
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I have offered peace to no prevail


No, sweetheart. No prevail at all.
You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2013, 05:17:36 AM »
Condemned to hell by Christians. Atheist whipping post. Good thing I have my Belief in God, it will comfort me and see me through. I have all I need and neither of you can hurt me.
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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2013, 06:31:31 AM »
I just read what I thought was going to be the debate. All I can say is wow.

Sometimes I discuss belief with my mother. She is devout. At least she will respond to questions in a reasonable manner.

Junebug, believer or not, you are so difficult to discuss belief with. He asked you point blank what constitutes evidence? You just ignored him and said I believe in God, end of discussion.

It is 2013, there are so many intelligent believers in this world. People of all backgrounds use critical thinking all the time to solve complex problems. Junebug could very well be one those talented believers.

Yet when it comes to this simple discussion she can deny her critical thinking all together. Now if the discussion involved any inanimate object, that critical thinking would reappear and factual based claims would be made. I find it phenomenal. One reason why I no longer discuss belief or religion with family and friends.

Junebug, when he asked you the hypothetical questions about stepping outside your box, looking and situations where you don't have a belief, and what evidence you would require; I also took a step back and looked for myself what I would require. It made sense to me to ask that as an observer.

You stated you just believe, right? Your heart races, you may sweat, or you may feel elated. You can feel it therefore you know it is there. I get what you are saying. Easy enough. Only, as an observer you really didn't prove your point. I hope you understand why. It is perspective right? I am totally assuming right now that you would not take that as evidence if someone came on here with the same story for Thor, unicorns, or a silly magical sock.

Point is please try to apply the same critical thinking skills that you use in your everyday life for inanimate objects, to your religious beliefs. I know you have emotional proof, but try to look at it from a different perspective. 

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Re: Anfauglir and junebug72 debate evidence for god Commentary thread
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2013, 07:16:10 AM »
This 'debate' was was a no-go from the beginning, it is not possible to have a conversation about evidence for god with a person who does not understand what is meant by evidence. Or has a clear picture of what a god is.

For ages Anfauglir is asking for some evidence and all this great believer could manage was random anecdotes and stories of being targeted or victimized. Anf would have better luck if he tried to paint on an ice cube.

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