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Offline Andy S.

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Not one stone will be left upon another
« on: April 19, 2013, 06:52:21 AM »
Proof #11 from the "God is imaginary" website says:

"Notice that there is no scientific evidence

There is no scientific evidence indicating that God exists. We all know that. For example:

    God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.

    None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either."

Christian apologists love to use Mark 13:2 and Matthew 24:2 and the destruction of the temple in 70 AD as proof of "physical evidence" that Jesus was a prophet and miracle worker.  Do these christian apologists have an argument?  Is the western wall that is still standing considered to be part of the temple?  Is this a false prophecy because this wall is still standing?  Could Matthew and Mark have been written after the destruction of the temple in 70 AD?  Or does Mark 13:2 and Matt. 24:2 give evidence for Jesus actually being able to look into the future?  Arguments for and against please. 


 
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Re: Not one stone will be left upon another
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 08:49:08 AM »
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Scholars who hold that this does refer to the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and is an example of prophecy after the event use this section to date Mark, and all works believed to have copied from it, slightly before or after the year 70.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_13

It also says, scholars are not sure if that is what the prophecy was referring to.
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Re: Not one stone will be left upon another
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 01:26:01 PM »
Could also have been written long after 70AD which would make it seem like prophecy.
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Re: Not one stone will be left upon another
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 06:01:45 PM »
... for Jesus actually being able to look into the future?  Arguments for and against please.

Here is one hypothetical quote from a "Book of Matthew" in which Jesus could really look into the future, with benefits to mankind:

Collect thou the mold of bread, or of fruits, and make an extraction.  Multitudinous sicknesses, known to common man as caused by demons, will be cured from this extraction.  Tell all it comes from the Green Furry Godess Penice, and call it, therefore, Penicillin.

Now that would have been miraculous.

Instead, Jesus wasted his magical powers turning water into wine. 

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Re: Not one stone will be left upon another
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2013, 02:25:43 AM »
... for Jesus actually being able to look into the future?  Arguments for and against please.

Here is one hypothetical quote from a "Book of Matthew" in which Jesus could really look into the future, with benefits to mankind:

Collect thou the mold of bread, or of fruits, and make an extraction.  Multitudinous sicknesses, known to common man as caused by demons, will be cured from this extraction.  Tell all it comes from the Green Furry Godess Penice, and call it, therefore, Penicillin.

Now that would have been miraculous.

Instead, Jesus wasted his magical powers turning water into wine. 

Odin, King of the Gods

Indeed...

he coulda been all like, "...hey U.S. in the year 2000 After I die, and after you slaughter the native population on your continent in my name, there will be a living, breathing, walking piece of feces named George W. Bush running to be your President, dont vote for that idiot as he will bring your country down to depths unseen since the Great Depression that is also forthcoming..."

Book of Jesus 7:11-13

but nah, we get some bullshit about "the poor will always be with you" ensuring that the poor would always be here, if he was really god. what a monumental ass hat.

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Re: Not one stone will be left upon another
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2013, 09:30:53 AM »
Could also have been written long after 70AD which would make it seem like prophecy.

I think I would agree with you.  Does anyone know what kind of evidence there is out there that shows Matthew, Mark and Luke to be written before AD 70?  Are there any early church fathers before 70 AD that quote out of Matthew, Mark or Luke? 
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