At first blush, yes. It's a completely understandable default reaction based on where and when we live, but based also (amd most importantly) on the belief that we can determine what is good and bad without deferring to any absolute moral authority.
Miles, you are going to run into problems with "absolute moral authority" on every side.
1. your absolute moral authortiy failed to include prohibition against some very basic things like slavery and rape. Or are you saying those things are okay?
2. the [wiki]Euthyphro dilemma[/wiki]. Is it moral because god says so? Or is it moral because god is moral? It's a real conundrum. That I know of, no theologian has actually thought his way out of the problem.
3. according to your mythology, we attained moral knowledge equal to yhwh when Eve at the fruit.
What is moral, though?
Well, for starters, not owning people, not commiting genocide, not murdering your only child on the say so of some alleged deity. How's that for a start?
And you're viewing Him incompletely, as someone whose actions can somehow be legitimately challenged by a creature it created.
I've not seen any good reasons as to why we should not be able to apply morality to god. If he's good, what's he afraid of? What are
you afraid of? You may say we cannot - lots of xians try to do that. But so what? Give me a good reason.
It portrays God as being utterly and completely incapable of co-exisiting with sin.
I know you think you are saying something relevant, but you aren't. It is a slogan that you've not put any thought into. For starters, the serpent, who you guys say is the Devil, was in the garden at the beginning. What up with that? Is yhwh omnipresent or not?
And if it is true that yhwh is incapabale of co-existing with sin, does that mean yhwh is powerless against it? I've not been to confession in about 25 years. I am loaded up with sin. Absolutely filthy with it. Could I ward off yhwh by walking into a church? Could I prevent the holy spirit from entering the host by standing too closely?
I guess nothing is impossible, theoretically. But my experience has always been that experience kicks theory's bum every day of the week. My experience is that God is good.
1. lots of things are theoretically impossible. Bootstrap levitation and perpetual motion are both theoretically impossible. You eating your own head is theoretically impossible. An evil god is as plausible as a good god.
2. That's not the point. Your argument was god created all life and thus we could not suggest god was wrong. Never mind that your conclusion is in no way connected the premise. If god is evil - as is possible - then what? Are we still unable to point that out just because he created us?
3. I sincerely doubt you have any direct experience with god or his goodness. Examples, please.
The God of the bible set those natural laws you like into motion.
So you say. But where's the meat?
They did eat of it, and it did bring death and knowledge, but that doesn't mean mankind were suddenly equal with God.
It did not bring death. yhwh brought death. And it did give them the same ability as yhwh
and the other gods in terms of moral discernment. yhwh even says so:
Then the Lord God said, “See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil;
How is knowing good and evil a bad thing? Why would yhwh want to keep us from it? Would a good god or an evil god prefer our ignorance on the matter?
It had the opposite effect, removing us from God.
No. None of the ill effects were from the fruit. They were from yhwh.
To the woman he said,“I will greatly ..."
If it worked the way you seem to say, yhwh would not have been able to lecture them before they were automatically ejected from the Garden. He'd have had to send a letter explaining how cross he was. Instead, he had time to sew a bunch of clothes for them.
Your book and your ideas are incompatible.
That was the lie Satan fed them
First of all, it was the serpent, not satan. Secondly, show exactly what the serpent said that was untrue.
that was swallowed hook, line and sinker. It's his most successful lie, been working ever since.
Through Christ God demonstrated He has authority over not just sentinent creatures, but over death itself. The case is made to my satisfaction, not to yours.....we know this.
That is just restating the claim. If a tautology is the extent of your case, then you might want to rethink the conclusion.
God sees us as valuable. He chose to create humanity. That's the only way or reason our lives have intrinsic value.
In your eagerness to repeat a Happy Xian Platitude, you missed the point I brought up.
If morality is real, then it applies to everyone, even god.
Maybe the theoretical God you have in mind. Not the God of the bible.
yeesh. It is statements like that that make me fearful of xians.
