This is where you and your other friends who argue in ignorance are wrong.
Which you've also consistently failed to prove.
First is your continuous distortion of what is posted. The problem is not providing real evidence, the problem is you continue to play your own god and discount them.
This is a lie, holybuckets. I have not "played god", nor has any other poster to my knowledge. The reason I keep discounting your evidence is because it comes solely from the Bible and is thus not reliable proof for the central claims of Christianity. Your unwillingness to accept this does not make it false.
My original post was to ask Riley2112 not to listen or trust you people. Your post helps prove my point.
Actually, I would invite riley2112 to read your other threads and our responses and judge for himself whether we're worth listening to. Seems to me that if you're right, then him reading other posts I and others have made will strengthen your point. But that doesn't seem to be what you want. Instead, you seem to want him to stop reading what we write, to not listen to what we say, and so on. Indeed, you pointed to a poll that claimed that people didn't trust atheists as part of your argument, which proves nothing at all. Polls are nothing more than the subjective opinions of people, many of whom may not have sufficient information on the subject at hand to draw a reasoned conclusion.
Second, JesseWSellers post proves my point as well. I do not know if Sellers is a Christian or atheist, but he did point out Aaron's false post in defining "judging".
Actually, Aaron123 has a point. The "judge not lest ye be judged" statement in the Bible is something that can be taken several ways - as can most of the Bible - and Aaron took it the simplest way, as an injunction against judging others.
I again plead for Jesse not to listen to these "false prophets" ... they have no idea what they are talking about.
Seems to me that you're having more than a little trouble knowing what you're talking about. The dangerous part is that you think you do.
JesseWSellers: These are the kinds of topics that holybuckets has been making for the past several weeks on this forum (in reverse order, because I'm doing a post history search):
May 23, Gay-related immune deficiency
, in which he started with the premise that homosexuals caused the spread of AIDS. In reply #31
, he claimed (no joke, sadly) that "many atheists are homosexual - all are in denial", tried to pin responsibility for aids on gay people, and claimed that atheists had no moral code and had created a 'god' to fit around their own lifestyle.
May 17, Don't expect an atheist president anytime soon
, where he employed a similar tactic to the one he used here (using a poll to infer his own conclusions about atheists, rather than pointing to actual facts). His actual reason for making it was because he wanted to show that the atheist argument was hypocritical because they kept using arguments from the Bible to critique Christian belief. According to reply 8
, his whole point for making the topic was to "play the game" - if atheists could do it, so could he. His arguments got quite a bit worse from there; I'll highlight one of the ones from reply 231
, near the end of the thread (when he abandoned his own thread because he was losing the argument) to illustrate this.
This is why I call atheists hypocrites. Tell me (and be honest) if I am wrong.
I post: There is a God
You will post: show me your proof
I will say because of Jesus
You will post: that proves nothing.
I will say: He claimed to be God
You will say: Where is your proof
I will say: It says so in the Bible
You will laugh and say: That means nothing
I will say: But He has eye witnesses
You will say: Prove it
Then I will post: OK prove that it is wrong
You will post: "the problem in this thread is your approach has been:
jesus resurrected because the bible! Prove I'm wrong!!"
this post of his a short time later and demonstrated, using his own words, that he was basing claims on claims, and when pressed for evidence, pointed to 'eyewitness'
reports of the resurrection in the Bible. So instead of finding more reliable evidence to prove himself right, he basically went on the offensive and demanded that we prove him wrong - and that's where his 'hypocrite' argument comes from, because we pointed out that there's no point in trying to prove a claim wrong until it had been proven right.
May 17, Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law, to prove Ch(ristianity wrong?)
- note, his topic was too long and got cut off by the forum software, but that's what I believe the rest of the title was. One particular thing that caught my eye was that one poster said that Christianity was invented long after Jesus's death, and holybuckets took this as a claim and asked him to provide evidence. Another poster asked him to clarify when he (holybuckets) thought Christianity started, and he never did actually answer it - it was always "this guy has to support his own claim".
May 12, Holocaust
, where holybuckets asked what proof there was that the Holocaust even happened, and pointed to books written by General Eisenhower, Prime Minister Churchill, and General de Gaulle which did not mention Nazi gas chambers (or other evidence of the Holocaust) as evidence that it didn't happen. It got worse later on. Needless to say, many people, myself included, took offense at that, and found him lots of evidence to show that it had happened.
By now, it's starting to become very clear that holybuckets is not interested in actually discussing these topics. Instead, he's playing 'gotcha!', pouncing on any statement by anyone which he can construe as a claim, and then demanding 'evidence' for it. All so he can 'prove' his statement that atheists are hypocrites. It's more than a little tiresome to keep reading the same kinds of posts, with the same arguments, no matter how many times we criticize and refute them.