1] The Gawd
Thank you for your reply.
Wow Aaron thats a lot you are asking.
Firstly I do agree with what you say because I cant provide the answer you are looking for ie miracles or solid proof of god.
I cant deny my belief is only based on my faith and the faith millions.
This means you are right from your perspective and I am right from my perspective.
I believe in some ‘magical being’ who is invisible and hasn’t appeared to mankind for centuries (according to you –not myself and millions) and when he did/does there isn’t any concrete proof to suggest GOD exist or HIS miracles are real.
So what can more can I say?
Not a lot really to convince you otherwise.
All I can say is ‘seek and you shall find’. This I do believe.
[[If you could offer something concrete(again, such as the healing of an amputee), then we might be willing to consider the idea that something is out there.]]
What you are saying is exactly the reason why God does not appear.
God generally does not interfere in the lives of humans. If he did then we would all be robots. We all have free will not mention, we have the karma to account for.
A person who suffers some pain must go through his pain –according to his karma. Even God is subject to Karma, but he has his under control whilst we still don’t know how to control ours, (well we do-- but few try or want to control it). So to ask God to cure all or any amputees is wrong. God has made it clear that on this earth we are born to both suffer and enjoy. Its how you react and work and live with either of those are the lessons that God generally teaches us.
Aslo let me quickly add --just because someone has to suffer for his karma does not mean we cannot help this person (often misunderstood by non-Hindus). The other spectrum is what we call Dharma –our duty to do the right thing.
This is why we as humans are given opportunities to help amputees.
[[God is indistinguishable from a non-existence thing,]]
What I would say is that people have experiences that are beyond explanations and these are what we term as god experiences. Hence God exists for us. But that alone does not substantiate as proof of God. God must come and face the world and prove his existence.
But I don’t think that’s a good idea.
Once we see that God exist would we really suddenly become God worshippers? Would you really become a worshipper?
You write [[If you could offer something concrete(again, such as the healing of an amputee), then we might be willing to consider the idea that something is out there.]]
You will only ‘consider it’. Even you are not sure. What point is there than God to even appear before you? Just to satisfy your curiosity.
History teaches the same. For example taking the Moses story where God parted the sea—clearly God showed himself through an amazing miracle. Now what we find next is equally amazing. Instead of the people becoming religious and worshipping God on hands and knees, they actually become something totally opposite. They become corrupt and ‘mad’.
Basically if we consider this story real then we can see what would happen.
I guess something slightly similar happened in Iraq. When the people were free of the tyrant ruler, instead of becoming good the people went on a rampage of looting and killing. (This is just a generalised observation to make my point and Im not getting into the whole politics thing. May be my generalised version is wholly incorrect.)
So its better for God to remain ‘visible’ to only those who truly wants to see him.
Second example --- Look what happened to Jesus (I know perhaps you may not believe he is real; but let imagine he was real). Even after many people saw his miracles, many just turned away and went against him instead! How odd is that.
To be honest this is what would happen to God if he did appear today.
No amount of his explaining will convince millions to worship him.
So should God really perform miracles –yes in exceptional cases where he thinks fit and NO—not for the disbeliveers or to quench some curiosity?
[[And the people with bad karma who also get cured? What is your explanation for them?]]
Just because a person is bad does not mean he cannot be cured. Far from it. He is cured because of his karma.
The same reason why [[good people get sick?]].
I wrote ‘good’ in apostrophes. Karma is difficult to explain here since its neither good or bad.
If Aaron did some great deed then that will need to be balanced out too by Aaron getting some reward. So in reality its not a good idea to be in ‘good’ karma.
That does not mean you have to do ‘bad’ karma to balance it. It just means you should not let your good deed elevate your ego that you did something great and you wont be affected by the good deed or be in ‘debt’ of the good deed.
Look I cant explain it all properly right now. I hope you can do your own research on this. Im sure there is so much out there.
[[Fair enough if the events returning on someone are instigated by god]]
No this is a misconception that God has something to do with you being good or bad.
Just think about it. Why would he enjoy making you suffer.
Your karma are your own.
I’ll leave at that if you don’t mind.
This term is used differently by Christians. I guess we are all connected in someway. Karma is not fulfilled in one life time but over many.
[[The Gawd is due some serious bad karma, and I happen along and dish it out to him......does my giving of the bad mean that I become due some bad myself? ]]
Just because he deserves bad karma does not free you from the fact that you too committed some misdeed to fulfil his karma. However –there always is a however ……
However, if you did some bad karma out of some dharma (of doing the right thing for the greater good) then off course you will not get the karma because you had to fulfil your dharma. Eg A person is hitting a person and you save him by hitting the other person. Its you dharma to protect the weak and you are not affected by your actions of hitting the other person.
So what is advised is that you keep your karma in check. The way to do that is through God. You pray to Him and leave all your actions to him. Let him ‘control’ you. This is very difficult to do. Very few people have ever let God control their life.
Every action has a reaction –whether you agree or not.
Karma is a long topic to explain to someone and this will deviate me from the question I thought I was trying to answer. I hope you do some research of your own in the meantime.
I agree with you but this was just a thought process of some school of thoughts. A school of thought that does not believe in god as real but as the ‘being’ who is you.
[[Why would you just believe what your parents told you, what a friend of your family told you, or anyone else?]]
I also said I experienced God and this is the reason for my firmness in God. But equally I cannot prove God to others. I can show them way =s so that they too may experience –but I have refrained from saying that.
[[Do you agree with this idea that "mind is God"?]]
The mind is closer than to God then we know. After all it is what deciphers all thoughts. More importantly its also where your subconscious speaks to you. God speaks to you. I believe in a God who is real, who speaks to me and walks and talks with me. Whether you consider that is weird or madness is your choice. But whats important to me is how I see God. I am trying to explain God but without proof I fall flat like everyone else. So all I can ask you to do ‘seek and you shall find’ for yourself.
What is the mind?
This is beyond my ability to explain to you –so I would urge you to do some research on the websites. Google “Hindu mind” or something and hope you get the answers. http://hinduism.about.com/od/bookextracts/a/mind.htm http://www.hinduism.co.za/mind1.htm http://www.hinduwebsite.com/mind.asp
[[Welcome to the forum.]] Thank you.
[[That is possibly the worst answer I've ever read. ]] I think you need to read the rest of that post. Someone else said the same thign and I have given my reply to him if you wish to read it.
[[You are trying to say losing is limb is somehow irrelevant or doesn't happen because you think there is an "afterlife". ]]
I said none of those things. You need to take a step back and take a deep breath. Lets not along this line of false accusation.
[[I've heard and read about Harry Potter. When I read his books, I experienced him. Does that make Harry Potter a real person?]]
Im sure youre trying to make some kind of point here
But what I would say to you is that if you have experienced Harry Potter helping you in someway and you consider him to be your chosen deity then certainly he will be real to you. There is no doubt about it. You should continue to worship him if you experience him