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Lent
« on: February 09, 2013, 12:54:01 PM »
This coming Weds. is Ash Weds.  The time when lent starts.  Yes, 40 days and 40 nights of suffering for the Lord to show Him our love and to show guilt for the sins we have committed over the year.  I can't decide what to give up this year.  I thought about having myself scourged but then again that might hurt.  I was going to try to listen to right wing radio every day and try to understand their point of view but that is cruel and unusual punishment.  I thought about volunteering at a soup kitchen but that takes up to much time.  So I might give up snickers.  I like those and God would probably be pleased with that sacrifice.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 01:05:41 PM »
Over the centuries, observing Lent has achieved so much, hasn't it? Remember the old days before Jesus when there were wars and rumours of wars; poverty, sickness, suffering, injustice, ignorance, cruelty, etc. Well, I'm just glad the observing of Lent has put an end to all that.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 01:10:58 PM »
i've got a lent roller i'm giving up, if i'm fuzzy god will understand, i'm doing it for him.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 08:20:48 PM »
I'm going to give up giving up something.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 08:28:44 PM »
At least Lent is good for when your New year's resolutions go by the wayside...And it's short enough that you have a fighting chance of sticking to them.

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Re: Lent
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 09:02:36 PM »
40 days and 40 nights of suffering for the Lord to show Him our love and to show guilt for the sins we have committed over the year.

I thought Jesus died hanging from a tree to forgive our sins.  Gosh, I wish I could get the stories straight.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 10:25:12 PM »
Stop that thinking stuff.  That is just the devil playing with your mind.  Suffer and like it. ;)
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Re: Lent
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 09:09:20 AM »
Lent is a great time of year; you get some burbling nitwit asking, "ooh, are you giving up something for lent?" and I get to reply, "no".

They then wander off looking like the sad, burst balloon they are. Saves the embarrasment of having to explain in detail why I don't want to have a conversation with a credulous fool.

If you really want to annoy such twerps, quickly reach out and rub off the smudge on their foreheads on Ash Wednesday whilst saying "got a bit of muck on your face there mate". Then look at them as if they're talking out of their arsehole as they explain why you've annoyed them.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 11:52:43 AM »
Now I know that Lent is sort of like Ramadan-lite, but I've been thinking about how Oli says that all of atheism is based on Roman Catholicism, so I'm suddenly interested in Lent, because as an atheist, I want to make sure I'm getting it right.

So how does this work?  I give something up? 

If I'm a vegetarian already, I'm guessing that giving up meat won't count, right? 

I could give up snickers too, like Nick, I guess.  But since I probably only eat 2-4 of them a year, that would really easy.

There is a big school bus strike here in NYC, and instead of taking my daughter to the bus stop every morning, I'm spending an hour and a half round trip to get her to school.  And then in the afternoons, she is usually picked up at the bus stop by an assistant teacher in her afterschool program, and escorted to piano class or chess class or whatever.  Now I'm leaving work 3 hours early to pick her up, travel back to my neighborhood and take her to afterschool.  It is a huge sacrifice. I think giving up bus service is the best I can do at this point.   I'm so behind on work, that when I put her to bed, sometimes I'm up working past midnight. 

If the bus strike goes on for another month, can I count that? 

Do I get to count the past 3 1/2 weeks and get retroactive credit? 

And I'm afraid that I did not engage in any Mardi Gras or Carnival celebrations this year.  I hope that does not impact on my ability to sacrifice joyfully.  I'm wondering.  If I had engaged in the proper debauchery, would I be better prepared for the trials ahead?  Should I plan to engage next year? 

I just want to make sure I do this right. 





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Re: Lent
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 01:46:54 PM »
Quesi, All good points and yes...Lent is suppose to be something you give up that causes you some discomfort.  Like giving up TV for 40 days,,,or facebook, internet, cell phone, (like anyone would or could do that - lol).  I don't eat a lot of snickers either so that prob wont be a good pick for me.  I thought about going 40 days without a shower.  After a couple weeks my dog might not even want to be around me.  Stink for Christ.

Also, Catholics are not suppose to eat meat on Fridays during Lent.  It use to be all Fridays.  Also use to be a mortal sin to do so...on, on the same level as murder...never understood that one.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2013, 06:11:09 PM »
I am DEFINITELY going to give up being Sarcastic...
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Re: Lent
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2013, 07:26:55 PM »
i'm still not sure what giving up anything that will cause us to suffer, is supposed to do to help any real world situations...my brain just wont make that leap..just like when people fast, or go on hunger strikes...makes no sense, helps no one except the person buying food has to go less often, there is no point to it. it only hurts you. it doesn't affect others because you choose to suffer. it's just stupid. when people refuse to eat, we put them in hospitals, and they're nurished if they want to be or not, not to do so is neglectful when you know the situation and do nothing about it. i don't get it. maybe that's why the only think i'm willing to give up IS my lent roller. it rolls up lent. when i have lent on my pants or shirts.  :laugh:
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Re: Lent
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 01:36:11 PM »
Well, I guess we know what the pope is giving up for Lent. ;)
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Re: Lent
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 03:28:46 PM »
Given the idea of Lent is completely invented by Rome though it is common through most of Christianity, I just think giving up going to Church and listening to boring, pointless sermons be people who don't even know theology that well is juts the thing. In fact, I celebrate Lent all year through doing this. No idea if a non-exsitent deity could be pleased or not pleased by this.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 07:59:40 PM »
Lent is a great time of year; you get some burbling nitwit asking, "ooh, are you giving up something for lent?" and I get to reply, "no".

They then wander off looking like the sad, burst balloon they are. Saves the embarrasment of having to explain in detail why I don't want to have a conversation with a credulous fool.

If you really want to annoy such twerps, quickly reach out and rub off the smudge on their foreheads on Ash Wednesday whilst saying "got a bit of muck on your face there mate". Then look at them as if they're talking out of their arsehole as they explain why you've annoyed them.

If anyone asks me what I'm giving up for lent, I'm gonna ask them what is the reason(s) for giving up things for lent. I gonna bet over 50% can't give me an answer.

HOLY CRAP! Before posting this I did a google for lent. I choose the Catholic Encyclopedia's site figuring that would hold the best answer. Was I wrong, the site gives a very long dissertation and as far I a could (tolerate) tell there is no answer to what is lent.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09152a.htm


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During Lent, many of the faithful commit to fasting or giving up certain types of luxuries as a form of penitence.

and from another site; http://christianity.about.com/od/holidaytips/qt/whatislent.htm
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The Bible does not mention the custom of Lent, however, the practice of repentance and mourning in ashes is found in 2 Samuel 13:19; Esther 4:1; Job 2:8; Daniel 9:3; and Matthew 11:21
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This lent thing is just more bogus bullsh1t.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2013, 07:30:37 AM »
I plan on giving up religion. Oh, wait...    &)
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Re: Lent
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2013, 07:39:29 AM »

This lent thing is just more bogus bullsh1t.

It is just something the invented by the church to make the year more interesting I think. Of course, it wanted to avoid Jewish festivals to mark itself as different from Judaism (despite Jesus being a Jew) and invented all sorts of stuff including Xmas of course.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2013, 08:44:28 AM »
The church gets off on suffering.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2013, 09:18:21 AM »
Today is Ash Weds.  The day it is easy to spot Catholics.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2013, 09:30:53 AM »
Today is Ash Weds.  The day it is easy to spot Catholics.

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Actually anglo-catholics (high church Church of England) and many other C of E churches go in for the imposition of ashes today.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2013, 09:43:04 AM »
I clean the Lent out of the dryer screen after every load.

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Re: Lent
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2013, 09:50:44 AM »
If anyone asks me what I'm giving up for lent, I'm gonna ask them what is the reason(s) for giving up things for lent. I gonna bet over 50% can't give me an answer.

I was inspired to look for an answer myself, and it all seems to boil down to "someone decided that it would be a good idea for us to suffer a bit to experience a little of what Christ went through".

So 99% of all Lent "give-ups" are epic fails.  Either it is to do with his actual suffering on the cross (in which case, unless its physical pain, it means nothing), or is to do with his "40 days" of fasting in the wilderness.  Which means some SERIOUS fasting, not just giving up chips or something. 

For a Christian to "do" Lent in any meaningful sense, they would have to be a bit of a wreck by the end of it....and I can't recall ever seeing anyone looking that bad at Easter - they're normally too busy pigging out on chocolate eggs.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2013, 10:34:32 AM »
Of course there are some people trying to lose weight who decide to give up a stone of their weight during lent. That almost makes religious sense apart from the fact that the person wants to lose the weight anyway and so it is hardly 'giving up' in the sense meant
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Re: Lent
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2013, 10:39:02 AM »
i'm still not sure what giving up anything that will cause us to suffer, is supposed to do to help any real world situations...my brain just wont make that leap

The orginal point told to the sheeple was to give up something pleasant in your life to be more like Jesus. To commiserate. They were then supposed to give the funds spent on those things to the Church to help the poor, which was then spent on silk robes and bigger churches so they could further their message of telling people that they need to suffer and help the poor by giving them more money.

Look up the history of "Butter Tower" for more complete information on this subject.

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: Lent
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2013, 10:46:28 AM »
Wow! What a sneaky lot these clergy were. (Butter Tower in Wikipedia)
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Re: Lent
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2013, 10:52:46 AM »
Lent a.k.a. mini martyrdom
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Re: Lent
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2013, 09:56:55 PM »
Since I'm not religious nor a martyr I don't give up anything up for Lent.  Instead I do the opposite.  I find something I love to do and do more of it.  Last year I vowed to indulge in more delicious candy.  This year I think I'll catch up on some classics that I have backed up on my bookshelf.

I simply cannot accept the basic premise of Lent:  atoning for sins that I have never committed and for suffering and apologizing for being born evil.

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Re: Lent
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2013, 12:17:37 AM »
They were then supposed to give the funds spent on those things to the Church to help the poor, which was then spent on silk robes and bigger churches so they could further their message of telling people that they need to suffer and help the poor by giving them more money.

they wouldn't need bigger churches if they held services more than one day a week, give that priest a full time job for pete sakes. i think many tend to help themselves before helping the poor.
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Re: Lent
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2013, 10:01:16 AM »
They were then supposed to give the funds spent on those things to the Church to help the poor, which was then spent on silk robes and bigger churches so they could further their message of telling people that they need to suffer and help the poor by giving them more money.

they wouldn't need bigger churches if they held services more than one day a week, give that priest a full time job for pete sakes. i think many tend to help themselves before helping the poor.

Actually a lot of churches do hold various functions more than one day a week. Saturdays they are generally booked for weddings and funerals. They do have generally one service every day, but it is poorly attended, and mostly only by the elderly. Or people like my sister in law's mother...who thinks the piety makes up somehow for how the family's money was made
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