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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2013, 03:45:39 PM »
Tips for other minimum wage workers are not ever thought about,why should I tip anybody unless I think they deserve a tip?

 Why would the focus be on any particular minimum wage worker,but not the hundreds of other fields that pay minimum wage? Ever tip your cashier at wal-mart,target,Walgreens? how bout the guy who gives you your cigarettes at the 7-11?,why does the waiter at Applebee's get 18%,he does not work any harder than the warehouse worker at walmart does he?
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2013, 05:01:45 PM »
Answer:  Because they make less than the normal minimum wage, in anticipation of you giving them a tip.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2013, 09:13:48 PM »
in IL they raised the server minimum wage to $4.96/hr

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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2013, 11:10:51 PM »
Answer:  Because they make less than the normal minimum wage, in anticipation of you giving them a tip.
In Canada a tip is considered income,and must be declared on tax returns as income. Min. wage here in Canada is the LEAST an employer can pay......why could an employer pay less than that in the USA (min.wage)?to declare a tip on your tax that is near your hourly wage would be a killer at tax time.

 18% on a table that is $100 bill is 18 dollars if you have 3 tables an hour and the tips equal ...say $30 and you must pay tax on that hourly wage of $30 untaxed income and minimum wage taxed at the source....unless you cheat on your taxes there is a lot of untaxed income you must account for. are the rules different in USA than they are in Canada?

in places like Australia tipping is NOT encouraged or even allowed.....but a coffee and a doughnut is also  ten dollars and minimum wage is near the $20.00 an hour range
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2013, 11:26:08 PM »
The hourly wage is basically to account for taxes. A lot of the time the check is zero bucks... but usually is meager. I'm talkin tens of dollars

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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2013, 12:06:59 AM »
I'm Canadian too, 12 Monkeys.  And here in Canada we do have, in many places, a server-minimum-wages that are lower than the normal minimum wage.

I can't see how the rest of your post has anything to do with what I said.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2013, 12:22:23 AM »
First off, this isn't the Pastor's Church; she should abide by the rules of the establishment at which she has chosen to dine. She would expect people entering her church to abide by the rules of the church. Because she is a Pastor she should not be excused from behaving according to accepted social standards. Provide a tip to your server, it is established prior to your being served. 

This is a cheapskate religion pushin asshole.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2013, 01:49:34 AM »
I'm Canadian too, 12 Monkeys.  And here in Canada we do have, in many places, a server-minimum-wages that are lower than the normal minimum wage.

I can't see how the rest of your post has anything to do with what I said.
The wage is taxed from the employer....and the tips in BC anyways are expected to be reported and tax payed (in full on the amount) so if you make 25 K a year in wages and another 15K in tips you must pay the taxes on that 15K as if it were wages. That could be 2K in unpaid tax at the end of the year

 Where in Canada?
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2013, 02:27:52 AM »
Ontario.

Now, please explain how the fact that tips are taxes has anything whatsoever to do with what I said.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2013, 09:29:28 AM »
I'm Canadian too, 12 Monkeys.  And here in Canada we do have, in many places, a server-minimum-wages that are lower than the normal minimum wage.

I can't see how the rest of your post has anything to do with what I said.
The wage is taxed from the employer....and the tips in BC anyways are expected to be reported and tax payed (in full on the amount) so if you make 25 K a year in wages and another 15K in tips you must pay the taxes on that 15K as if it were wages. That could be 2K in unpaid tax at the end of the year

 Where in Canada?
Not sure of the wage rate in Canada. But here in IL where the wage is $4.96 at 40 hours for 52 weeks (I havent been in a restaurant that encourages OT, they usually will do anything so you dont go over 40 hrs) the total wage for the year is $10,316.80. Unless you work at some posh upscale restaurant it will be more than enough to cover your taxes after tax cuts. Most restaurants have you enter into the system at clockout the amount of tips youre reporting. I never really reported exactly what I made, rather a % of my sales whether I actually made more or less; 15% give or take and youre going to be okay.

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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2013, 06:51:05 PM »
Am I right that this discussion is about tips and weather or not they are a justified supplement of a wage less than 5 USD an hour? Most of the posts come from citizens of the North American continent, mainly the US.

Is it a fact that in the greatest nation of the world this is a subject worth discussing? Are you the same people that have discussed during the campaign of 2 befriended candidates whilst it did not really matter who wins as they both belong to the same club? The club that promises wealth and prosperity for all its citizens?

I am astonished that exactly the low incomers are waging war worldwide to bring this fantastic system over all of us. And help their rich to extract our resources off course. Foreigners do it to get a green card to live in that great country. In their own countries they are so hopeless and think by sacrificing themselves they can save their families. It is not even funny.

Propaganda has done its job well. Whilst fighting over breadcrumbs you do not seem to see what the problem really is. Bonuses of billions of dollars for the guys in the casino grande of business and the people who serve the coffee fight for their tip. Sad but true. Thanks a lot but I am not coming even if admittedly a lot of countries are even worse. I stay on my 10 acres and feed my chicken who actually know what daylight is and oh, how good do my tomatoes taste. Keep on going and enjoy yourselves. Or do something about the real problem.

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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2013, 08:37:48 PM »
^^^You make some good points.

It's the people fighting over tips who vote against universal health care and against raising taxes on people making over a million dollars. And against unions. And against raising the minimum wage to something people can live on. While watching their lives disintegrate, and railing against the government for being both useless ("does nothing for me") and at the same time too intrusive ("controls my life"). 

I read an article calling such low-income economic conservatives "aspirational voters". Emphasis on the ASS. Because there are millions of them working at Wal-Mart who think they will someday, somehow, be in the off-shore tax shelter bracket, so they don't need no stinkin' union thugs or socialistic gummint health care. Maybe by winning the lottery?

As if someone earning a fraction of $500,000 would ever have to worry about the estate tax taking away the millions they are [not] going to pass on to their kids.... &)
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2013, 11:26:17 PM »
Ontario.

Now, please explain how the fact that tips are taxes has anything whatsoever to do with what I said.
It is a factor in the tax they have to pay.....they MUST pay tax on ALL tips as if they were WAGES......that is a lot of money to account for at the end of the year.

 In BC minimum wage is minimum wage.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2013, 08:37:00 AM »
Ontario.

Now, please explain how the fact that tips are taxes has anything whatsoever to do with what I said.
It is a factor in the tax they have to pay.....they MUST pay tax on ALL tips as if they were WAGES......that is a lot of money to account for at the end of the year.

 In BC minimum wage is minimum wage.
Ive explained it. The tax comes out of the check. When you are a server, the checks are hardly checks at all. You live off of the tips. Checks are typically literally Tens of Dollars.

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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2013, 12:24:42 PM »
I'll preface by stressing again that I think everyone should be paid a livign wage, and not need to supplement it.  That said, I hate the principle of automatic tips.

Maybe its because I am a Brit, but to me, a "tip" is something given for extra-special service.  Something over and above what I would regard as the bare minimum of getting what I ordered to my table, or stopping the cab at the place I have just paid to go to.

But with a requirement for automatic tipping, I can't do that.  When I last went to the States, the advice in the travel book equated to pretty much "unless they dump the drink in our lap, you shoudl still tip 12-15%".  What the &%$@?  That's NOT a tip.  That's just an additional cost to the stated price of your drink or meal that you have to pay whatever.  Frankly, I'd rather every restaurant and bar put their prices up by 20%, passed the increase on to the servers as additional wages, and left me to decide if the service I got warrants leaving some extra cash.   If I'm paying it anyway, lets add it to the prices and stop calling it a tip - because when it is damn near obligatory, and always expected, then it ISN'T a tip: its a charge.

Harrumph.   >:(   ;)
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2013, 03:35:48 PM »
It is a factor in the tax they have to pay.....they MUST pay tax on ALL tips as if they were WAGES......that is a lot of money to account for at the end of the year.

 In BC minimum wage is minimum wage.

Wonderful.  I'm glad there is a universal minimum wage in BC.  Now, stop making comments that also apply to areas with different minimum wages for wait staff, please.  It's fucking ignorant.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2013, 07:46:47 PM »
It is a factor in the tax they have to pay.....they MUST pay tax on ALL tips as if they were WAGES......that is a lot of money to account for at the end of the year.

 In BC minimum wage is minimum wage.

Wonderful.  I'm glad there is a universal minimum wage in BC.  Now, stop making comments that also apply to areas with different minimum wages for wait staff, please.  It's fucking ignorant.
How would I know about the wage in Ontario or anywhere else? I was talking about MY perspective and ASKING others theirs....the FACT that you fail to address my Inquiry about other areas is bullshit. I was asking how it was,stop trying to stick your fist in my ass. I had no idea other places in Canada could pay below min. wage. Unless they bring in temporary foreign workers.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2013, 06:28:06 AM »
How would you know?  Because it's what people have been talking about all thread.

Read.
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« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2013, 08:21:55 PM »
How would you know?  Because it's what people have been talking about all thread.

Read.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2013, 10:32:31 PM »
You did not even restrict your comments to apply only to Canada.  They were general, and thus encompassed America as well.
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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2013, 11:19:00 AM »
Adzgari, 12 Monkeys has explained his error. I do not think that further comments will be helpful. You may wish to let the matter drop.

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Re: Cheap A$$
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2013, 11:31:23 AM »
Sure thing.  Though as I havn't posed to this thread in about a week, I figured that I already had.
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