5) Even if you had everything in 3 & 4 you still don't have the source of animation (life) as is made evident by the dead cat......
I'm not sure what the relevance of this is, either. If we're talking about abiogenesis, we are talking about simple self-replicating systems.
If all you are talking about is simple self replicating systems as defining the term "life" according to the science of abiogenesis, then you clearly define life according to a parameter which is alien to the parameter of the definition of life that I hold to be the truth.Included in your parameter are such things as computer programs and self replicating robots.
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That's not what I said. Let's try this again.
As far as abiogenesis is concerned, "life" isn't part of the process it attempts to describe
, it is the result
of it. Once you have life, abiogenesis is no longer relevant - it's done and dusted. The processes by which abiogenesis is achieved would, therefore, involve non-living
material. The generation of simple self-replicating molecules is one such process that would be required in order for life to arise from non-living material, which is why I said that in talking about the processes involved in abiogenesis, we're talking about things like that. Northing so complex as a modern prokaryotic cell, let alone a cat! What we're talking about is, in a large part, organic chemistry and biochemistry. How we get from things like ammonia and methane and sulfur and iron to things like fatty acids, peptides, nucleotides, proteins and nucleic acids. Bilipid layers, vesicles, and so forth.
Once you have
exchanges of gases and nutrients and by-products with an external environment, once you have
growth, movement and reproduction, and responses to changes in the external environment, all contained within the same system - in other words, life*
- then you're no longer
in the field of abiogenesis, but rather you're into the field of living things - even if that living thing is a life-form far simpler than any extant life-form on this planet today
. The field of abiogenesis sets out to explain how such characteristics could appear in nature.
Put it this way. Abiogenesis is in the realm of organic chemistry and biochemistry. Living things are in the realm of biology. Evolution is in the realm of biology - it's not in the realm of organic chemistry. Biochemistry straddles the two because it is essentially complex organic chemistry: it explains in detail how the processes within living cells work - and also may tentatively explain how they arose in the first place.* Characteristics of life as stated by biologists: feeding, movement, growth, reproduction, respiration, excretion, response to stimuli.