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Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« on: January 15, 2013, 12:45:47 PM »
Glenn Beck is planning on building his own city.  It will be called Independence.  It will be self sufficient, no chain stores. 

Glenn seems to want to be the next savior/prophet.  Does any of this kind of have a Jim Jones or Warren Jeffs feel to it?  I hope kool aid is not on the menu.  Also, lock up your teenage daughters.

I'm sure there are those wanting to be the 1st to sign up.  Hope it is outside the US.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 01:15:39 PM »
I know I said Prophesy is easy, but I see a "Heritage USA" style pyramid scheme in this.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 01:20:43 PM »
I'm actually interested to see how this would play out.  If it works and they're happy with how they are living then good for them.  If it crashes and burns then I'll know what to avoid when I create my own little utopia. 
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 01:24:50 PM »
I wish him luck in this endeavor.

I wonder if he realizes that "self-sufficient" is pretty difficult to attain in this day and age.  Internet, utilities, etc.

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 02:19:19 PM »
Generally, self-sufficient translates to "anything that can be conveniently gotten locally, will be".

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 08:29:37 PM »
Is he going to build it underwater?

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 09:17:03 PM »
I, for one, have no objection to having all of them in one place. Think how nice it will be everywhere else.

And like I've always said, nothing says we're the greatest country in the world better than gated communities.

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 11:48:31 PM »
I, for one, have no objection to having all of them in one place. Think how nice it will be everywhere else.

And like I've always said, nothing says we're the greatest country in the world better than gated communities.

I'll second that! All the neocon fundie objectivist free-market worshippers in their own literal crazysphere? I'd be willing to give up my county and city to 'em if we could guarantee that every last one of them in the US would move here... and never leave again.

The trouble of relocating would be trivial next to not having to deal with them anywhere else anymore.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 07:40:56 AM »
I wonder whos face they will put on their currency?
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 08:46:58 AM »
I wonder whos face they will put on their currency?

Probably Jesus.  One of the odd things I've noticed about libertarians is that they generally show not the smallest scrap of respect for freedom of religion, which would seem to be in direct contradiction to the precepts of libertarianism.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 09:47:28 AM »
I'm going with Beck on the currency.  I don't think he will allow Jesus to upstage him.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 10:50:22 AM »
I LOVE this idea!  I am actually so enamored, that I would send money to help fund the project.

Community building is one of my favorite themes.  Self-sufficiency.  Creating utopian models.  Creating alternative economic systems.  I LOVE it!

I googled a bit, and found a few articles on the topic.  Apparently, they are not only going to produce their own food, but they are even going to produce their own movies! How great is that?  The idea is, of course, that they will separate themselves from the mainstream media and the brainwashing influences of godless Hollywood faggot communists and whatnot.  And that is smart.  I mean, if the kids growing up wearing homespun threads get to watch the Golden Globe awards, and HBO series portraying contemporary life, the community is going to have entirely too many defectors to sustain themselves for more than a generation. 

But I love the idea that anyone who joins the community gets to reinvent themselves.  You could be a potato farmer.  A movie star.  The possibilities are endless!  I wonder what most people will want to be? 

And I’m interested in learning whether the potato farmers will earn as much money as the movie stars do.  You see, if people paid as much for the labor surrounding the collection of raw materials, such as food, metals, clothing materials, and then for the assembly/manufacturing labor associated with these products, as they do for the labor associated with say, accounting or IT support or, ummmm, management, well then food and clothing and anything containing raw materials would represent a significantly higher percentage of your monthly expenses.  So I’m REALLY interested in seeing how this plays out. 

A couple of years into the project, of course, they might realize that they really need to create a subclass of immigrant laborers (without voting rights, of course) just to keep the price of tomatoes and milk and sliced bread from dominating their monthly spending. 

But I sure wish them luck.   I think many of us would love to see the majority of Glenn Beck aficionados join this community, and cut themselves off from the rest of society. 

Do we want to start up a forum fund-raising initiative to support this project? 

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 11:11:38 AM »
Wouldn't it just be easier for them to wait for the spaceship behind the comet like that other group did?
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 11:13:11 AM »

And I’m interested in learning whether the potato farmers will earn as much money as the movie stars do. 

If this situation, why would they be paid as much?, after alll invisible hand of the market and all that. Of course, if you pay them little as that class of labor would involve, where are the potatoes going to come from?

Going Galt actually happen al the time. It is called retirement, or death. This creates a power vaccum in the corporate structure which is filled. I wonder why such a learned study of economic as Ms. Rand didn't notice an occurance that happen thousands of times a day in the US?
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 11:45:15 AM »
It is probably hard to be a banana republic when everyone in it is the boss, and nobody knows how to grow fruit.

They will have to import labor. From outside the community. In other words, voluntary illegal immigrants. Such an improvement over the current situation.

Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. With Glenn in charge. A mormon following an inept atheist's ideals. This should turn out well.

It will be an interesting experiment, but useless scientifically. It will be impossible to create a control group to compare Glennville with, because the rest of us will be laughing our asses off. That will skew the results.



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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 12:36:22 PM »
In the old forum (which is currently inaccessable) Kcrady had a discussion about a libertarian project to move a whole bunch of them to one state - New Hampshire, if I recall - and make it into a libertarian paradise.  They needed something like 20,000 people to move.  At the time of kcrady's post, they had about 400. 

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 05:53:34 PM »
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 08:47:18 PM »
Is utopia for Mormons Utah? he does not have to build it he just has to move back
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2013, 01:58:52 PM »
Is he going to build it underwater?



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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2013, 04:52:36 PM »
Looks like the "America love it or leave it" crowd are taking their own advice. Silly billies. But they don't need to build anything new! There are lots of libertarian paradises already.

They can move right away to where there is no Obamacare, no food inspection, no liberals whining about animal rights, children's rights, or women's rights, no FAA, IRS or Federal Reserve. You can be totally self-sufficient, there are lots of guns around, government does nothing but run the military, everything decent is from the private sector, and there are no "welfare queens", because there is virtually no welfare system. 

They are called third world countries.

I welcome any of the Glenn Beck fans to move their families to Angola or Haiti or Bangladesh with a dollar in their pockets and the clothes on their backs. Start tugging on them bootstraps! Ready to compete with the locals, libertarian style?  No internet porn to corrupt your children, because no internet! Hope your kids prefer hard manual labor to video games.

If they build it in the US, they are cheating. Most of the infrastructure here was built, maintained, or regulated by the evil government. So they should have to start from scratch, no roads, no sewers, no power grid, no water systems--dams were built by the Corps of Engineers--and of course, no police or fire protection. And no US military.

I predict an exodus the first time their generators run out of gasoline, another when they run out of ammunition, a third when they all get dysentery from contaminated water,  and the last when Glenn lectures them (for the 7 millionth time) about how Obama ruined America.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2013, 05:49:37 PM »
What a great reality show that would make.  I'd watch every week but only if all the momey made off it went back to the US...not to Glen or Glentown.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2013, 06:36:59 PM »
Reminds me of an old Bob the Angry Flower.

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2013, 02:41:47 AM »
Reminds me of an old Bob the Angry Flower.

In fairness to Rand, Dagny (the woman in the middle) does know how to cook.  She showcases this skill upon shacking up with John Galt, and she is portrayed doing so with the rapturous joy of a good '50's housewife, because he's just that awesome.  Dunno when/where she learned to cook growing up as the daughter of a railroad tycoon and playing with trains; musta come as a software bundle with her uterus.  If you think Rand's ideas on politics and economics are bizarre, check out her views on women, sexuality and family.
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2013, 02:14:39 PM »
Randians worry me. They don't understand that Objectivism isn't reality and their leader was merely an act of performance art.

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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2013, 10:57:49 AM »
For most people libertarianism is a phase they go through in their late teens and early 20's. College and high school, when they are still living off parents, or have such low expenses that being waiters or baristas or store clerks with no health insurance is just fine. I knew a lot of folks like that in college. Young, healthy, smart and invincible.

Later, they have real jobs that barely pay the rent, food, student loans and car note. They have kids to worry about and that first health care crisis....then they stop spouting nonsense about the government stealing from them. And are happy that there are roads to get to work on, a school to send the kids to, a library for them to go to after school, and a park to take them to on weekends.

But there are a few that hold onto the nonsense much longer. &)
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2013, 11:50:01 AM »
Glenn Beck is planning on building his own city.  It will be called Independence. 

It should be called Dumbfuckistan.  And Glenn would be the Dumbest Dumbfuck in Dumbfuckistan.


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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2013, 12:32:29 PM »
I doubt if such a scheme would actually get off the ground, so to speak, but the record of utopias isn't good. They nearly always collapse as they are not as utopian as they hoped. This scheme seems to need some serious cash to start so I suspect it won't happen.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2013, 03:36:34 PM »
As I said above, there have been many, many libertarian societies. None of them have been utopias. Not even decent places for women, children, the elderly or the sick, either. And I think the term "libertarian community" is an oxymoron. It sounds like what they really want is some kind of decentralized communal anarchy. Usually that is more of a left-wing concept, hippie communes living off the land and so forth.

The Beckistas aren't hippies-- they don't believe in the environment or women's rights or racial equality. But maybe they will grow medical marijuana.  :D

It would be fun to see what they do about public health and sanitation, when people are all responsible for purifying their own water and to inspect their own food supply. Or to trust the for-profit corporation that says they are inspecting everything. If everyone gets sick, you just switch to a new company.

But corporations police and regulate themselves perfectly well, so no worries. &)
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Re: Glenn Beck libertarian utopia
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2013, 08:48:21 PM »
Beck followers seem to be white men who believe they are paying the cost for everything that happens in society. I don't think Beck-speak can be heard by any other group.


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