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Are god's miracles so mundane that we can't notice them?
« on: January 10, 2013, 01:00:24 PM »
Are his "miracles" like one extra mile on a set of tires or three extra steps in the life of a shoe?

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 01:08:18 PM »
Wow.......A prime example of why the automatic respect that religious people think they deserve is entirely misplaced. Just utterly insane.
Seriously though... What would happen if the Great Green Arkleseizure didn't fram up the rammastam before the hermite curve achieved maximum nurdfurdle velocity? Now THAT would be something. AmIrite?

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 01:11:57 PM »
I see now.  God is all around us...helping us with each step we take in life.  We are truely blessed.  Just wish He had made that gun jam in Conn while He was putting extra tread on this guy's shoes.

The creator of the universe has really gone down hill.  It is really getting kind of embarrassing.  Maybe we need to act a little more excited when He tries to do these things for us.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 01:21:12 PM »
Isn't it time that woman was taken to a mental hospital for treatment? She's a head case.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 01:59:46 PM »
I must be saved.  I see little miracles like losing my keys then finding them just where I left them. Amazing.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 03:14:29 PM »
A while ago here, everything went dark, and it was getting colder, and colder, and colder.  It was starting to get really scary, like maybe we'd all freeze to death under a blackened sky when all of a sudden, over there in the East, there was this...this...this wonderful, amazing light, and it got bright enough to light up the whole world, and now things are getting warmer and everything!  The world is saved!  Hallelu-Ra! 
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 03:54:55 PM »
yhwh has a long history of mediocre miracles.  Hanukkah is based on the belief that yhwh caused a days worth of oil to last 8 magical days.  whoop dee flipping do.  They had more oil than they thought.

Oy vey!  Such a miracle!  Rachel, cook up some latkes and brisket!

Does anyone else feel completely underwhelmed by hebrew cuisine?  Even the Brits have better food.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 04:15:35 PM »
Hey, I found a dime in the street today when out getting some shit.  That God.  He is always watching out for me.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 05:01:33 PM »
yEven the Brits have better food.

Thanks!  ;D
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 05:41:21 PM »
Kind of the whole reasoning behind WWGHA.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 06:29:38 PM »
Kind of the whole reasoning behind WWGHA.

Maybe he does by making their stump's swell just a bit..
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 07:06:23 PM »
Wow.  I have to admit, that is not what I was expecting.

So when her kids brought friends home for dinner, god multiplied the pasta?  Really? 

Why does god do that sort of thing in nice suburban neighborhoods, but not so much in drought stricken areas where infants and toddlers are dying by the 10's of thousands?  I mean, I understand if god likes pasta more than yams.  I kind of like pasta more than yams. 

But it just doesn't seem to me that god has his priorities straight. 

Again.  This is the guy who I'm supposed to want to spend eternity with? 

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 08:48:16 PM »
Hey, if it was pasta that is a whole different god.   FSM ;)
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 09:09:41 PM »
Reminds me of that video by darkmatter where ol buddy is starving praying for food and nothing happens then he prays to win the super bowl... you already know what happens...

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 09:16:45 PM »
That has to be a POE  :o or an undercover atheist doing fine work to make Xtians facepalm themselves  :laugh:
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2013, 09:34:28 PM »
Hey, I found a dime in the street today when out getting some shit.  That God.  He is always watching out for me.

I found a quarter. God likes me better.

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 03:54:33 AM »
yhwh has a long history of mediocre miracles.  Hanukkah is based on the belief that yhwh caused a days worth of oil to last 8 magical days.  whoop dee flipping do.  They had more oil than they thought.

Oy vey!  Such a miracle!  Rachel, cook up some latkes and brisket!

Does anyone else feel completely underwhelmed by hebrew cuisine?  Even the Brits have better food.

Okay enough is enough. The UK food stereotype is way out of date.

The UK has an exceptionally vibrant culinary scene, the idea that we don't is just lazy and was last really true in the 70s. We have some of the best restaurants in the world (Dinner, Fat Duck & Ledbury are all regulars in 'world's top restaurants' competitions). We have significantly more Michelin stars than the USA if you take population size into account. Even at the bottom end things are great, from curries in Brick Lane or Tooting (the best you'll find outside of India), as well as the wonderful and cheap food provided by well established Chinese, Lebanese, Japanese, African, Caribbean, Italian, Greek etc... communities.

As for Israeli food check out the new cookbook Jerusalem by Yotam Ottolenghi and Sami Tamim - superb Israeli food.

Actually of all the many places I've been the the world the worst food by far was in the USA (except NY which was on a par with the best European cities). Everything on offer was far too sweet and  and really lacking in diversity. (Taste vs value that is, the worst food I've ever eaten was nomadic cuisine in Mongolia ... nasty stuff, but free.)

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 05:18:25 AM »
This is pretty special. Why is it people make fantastical claims yet never seem to try to demonstrate it. Shoes and tires lasting a long time, perhaps you had a good pair of shoes and a great set of tires. Sheesh.

But the spaghetti? Well, I'll only believe it when I see it. So I'm calling bullshit on that one.


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I kid, I understand the stereotype, I know it's not true, we all know Screwtape likes spotted dick. :P To be fair, spotted dick only sounds wrong, it's only a dumpling with raisins in it. The Scots have haggis, which puts me off greatly too, but of course, there is much nicer food in Britain, some of it is British takes on foreign food, some of it is completely our own. A good restaurant will not disappoint. :)

However, I would say the quality of food and ingredients, particularly in supermarkets is going down. And with supermarkets being so widespread it is hard to find a proper butchers or a proper bakers, though we do have a decent butchers up the road from us, but it is a little bit out of the way but damn the food tastes good.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 07:25:24 AM »
Can someone correct my spelling in the title? it should be "mundane."
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 08:05:20 AM »
Does anyone else feel completely underwhelmed by hebrew cuisine?  Even the Brits have better food.

Okay enough is enough. The UK food stereotype is way out of date.

Um.  Penfold, when you are defending our BRITISH cuisine, probably best not to do it by saying how many great restaurants that we have serving non-British food - Chinese, Lebanese, Japanese, African, Caribbean, Italian, Greek etc....  Point being, Screwtape compared it to HEBREW cuisine (i.e. food served all over the world as being from a particular group), rather than "food servied in Israel", which may be able to make the exact same claim you have about the great Chinese restaurants, IDK

What IS British food?  Can we include Tikka Masala, or is that covered under Indian?  When I think "British", I think Fish & Chips, Roast Beef & Yorkshire Puddings, Stilton cheese and Port, Jam Roly-Poly, Eccles cake, Cornish Pasties....and so on.  On THAT basis, screw is horribly, horribly wrong - a proper Cornish "oggy" just can't be beaten, for one!
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2013, 08:56:26 AM »
Well, as a house-husband living in Scotland I have to say that the list of British food above is a bit limited. Of course, the the English language, British food has successfully imported into it all sort of foreign foods. For example, I cook some sort of Indian food each week and we often have paella. These becoming rather standard parts of the cooking in the UK.

Of course there is going to be a lot of stuff brought over from North America but often that's only the junk food like McDonalds, Burger King etc but of course we eat quite a lot of turkey, a USA original. It is hard to tie down what is truly British food these days though roast beef has to one.

Incidentally, this is very interesting talking about these culinary matters but I'm not quite sure how we got away from the original topic. However, I can confirm that no gods have increased any of my food - in the pan or in the fridge, sadly!  :)
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 09:06:09 AM »
Incidentally, this is very interesting talking about these culinary matters but I'm not quite sure how we got away from the original topic.

When something is THAT bonkers, food seems a much more sensible thing to talk about.  Sadly, my "low cholesterol lunch" was a curd-cheese sandwich on oatmeal bread.  If screwtape wants to use THAT as an example of terrible British food, I'll be first in the queue to sign the petition!
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2013, 09:41:03 AM »
I agree! I had my own Tomato and Lentil soup followed by a ham sandwich. That was fine.
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2013, 11:32:26 AM »
Chinese, Lebanese, Japanese, African, Caribbean, Italian, Greek etc... communities.

^ please note, none of the are native to the British Isles.  What is native British Cuisine?  Bangers and mash.  Fish & chips.  Shepards Pie.  black pudding.[1] Bubble and squeak.  I've seen enough episodes of Two Fat Ladies to know.

However, I will say a few years ago I had a trip to the UK and Paris.  The best food I had on that trip was in England, in Tees Valley.  And I did say it was better than hebrew food.

superb Israeli food.

No. Such. Thing.  hummus. Pita bread. Pickles. Latkes. babakganoush.  Bagels. It's not bad, exactly.  I just would not call it superb in any way. 

Actually of all the many places I've been the the world the worst food by far was in the USA

yeah, well, it is generally all about what you are used to.  I have trouble with food in pretty much every part of europe I have been to.  Except Italy.  The worst food I had was in germany. 

And chain stores are taking over the world.  That is not exclusive to the US anymore. 

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2013, 01:02:20 PM »
At the risk of derailing this food thread.  Came across this a few days ago.
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2013, 01:21:17 PM »
There's something not quite right about the graph. It ought to have levelled out at the '0' line by now - the graph looks as though its heading into the negative area of the graph. Or maybe that says something....
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2013, 02:47:48 PM »
There's something not quite right about the graph. It ought to have levelled out at the '0' line by now - the graph looks as though its heading into the negative area of the graph. Or maybe that says something....

That may very well be the case.  At this rate, 20-30 years from now, we may have to hear accounts of daydreaming about Jesus appearing on toast...
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Re: Are god's miracles so mundate that we can't notice them?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2013, 04:46:54 PM »
Can someone correct my spelling in the title? it should be "mundane."

Worked on your OP, but not on all the replies!

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Re: Are god's miracles so mundane that we can't notice them?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2013, 05:52:46 PM »
Ha. My poor dad told me last night that while his wife was battling cancer they had a cheery miracle.
"We decided that the whole end result of cancer would be "win-win" because if she beats it then she beats it..if she doesn't then she will be at Home with the Father". That was his comforting words of wisdom to his heathen son. WOW