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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2013, 10:36:37 AM »
I'm sick of this attitude that having an abortion is 'no big deal'.

For you, it may be a big deal.  For others, it isn't.  Why is that a problem for you?

Why is the idea of getting an abortion a big deal to you? 

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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2013, 11:08:38 AM »
Honestly, a decision about abortion between two people in a committed relationship isn't going to be a matter of one person or the other making a choice and the other having to live with it.  That is a really good way to destroy such a relationship.  Ultimately, it is going to be a decision that the two of them have to share.  If there isn't such a relationship (whether it's a one-night stand, sperm donorship, or rape), then there's no real argument for it being anyone's choice but the mother's.

As far as whether it's a casual decision...I don't think it is.  Because, you see, a fetus may be nothing more than a bundle of differentiated cells at that time, but it will eventually grow into another human being.  That isn't something that I can ignore, or pretend to myself that it doesn't matter because it isn't currently a human being.  That particular batch of cells will only ever get that one shot at becoming a human being, and I don't think that can be disregarded.

I'm not going to tell other people what they should think about this issue, but that's what I think.
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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2013, 11:20:14 AM »
I'm not going to tell other people what they should think about this issue, but that's what I think.

...and that's the best answer to this topic. No one should prescribe what a woman should ultimately do, whoever they are. Especially if they are men in dresses!

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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2013, 02:39:12 PM »
Are you f@#king serious?

Yes.  I'm serious.

Why are other people's feelings about it a problem for you? 

I don't see abortion as a big deal, provided it was an unintended or unwanted pregnancy.  I can imagine situations where it would be a big deal.  The situation you shared strikes me as a cut and dried, easy as it gets decision.  I cannot see myself even thinking twice about it or agonizing over it for a moment.  But for you it was not that. 

I'm not pissed off at you or other people who see it differently.  I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from.

You don't have to answer.  My intent was not to upset you or make you feel bad. 


All I can say is, each to their own. For me, it's something I never wish to experience. Ever.
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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2013, 02:49:55 PM »
Are you f@#king serious?

Yes.  I'm serious.

Why are other people's feelings about it a problem for you? 

I don't see abortion as a big deal, provided it was an unintended or unwanted pregnancy.  I can imagine situations where it would be a big deal.  The situation you shared strikes me as a cut and dried, easy as it gets decision.  I cannot see myself even thinking twice about it or agonizing over it for a moment.  But for you it was not that. 

I'm not pissed off at you or other people who see it differently.  I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from.

You don't have to answer.  My intent was not to upset you or make you feel bad. 


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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2013, 03:28:18 PM »
Are you f@#king serious?

Yes.  I'm serious.

Why are other people's feelings about it a problem for you? 

I don't see abortion as a big deal, provided it was an unintended or unwanted pregnancy.  I can imagine situations where it would be a big deal.  The situation you shared strikes me as a cut and dried, easy as it gets decision.  I cannot see myself even thinking twice about it or agonizing over it for a moment.  But for you it was not that. 

I'm not pissed off at you or other people who see it differently.  I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from.

You don't have to answer.  My intent was not to upset you or make you feel bad. 


All I can say is, each to their own. For me, it's something I never wish to experience. Ever.

I certainly cannot speak for all women, and I personally have never had an abortion, so I cannot even speak from personal experience.  But I have accompanied friends to abortions, and I have discussed upcoming abortions (and past abortions) with friends in very different circumstances, and at very different times in their lives.  Some include the scared high school senior, who doesn't want her parents to know.  The torn college student, who wanted to have kids, but not no, not yet.  The middle aged professional with kids in college, who was shocked to find that she could still become pregnant.   The loving mom of 3 who thinks maybe it would be great to have one more kid, but who is advised by her doctor that the health risks, given a serious pre-existing condition, would make a pregnancy dangerous to her. 

Abortion is an invasive medical procedure.  It is nasty.  And there are hormonal changes going on in many pregnant women, that amplify emotions.  And, whether the woman considers the pregnancy to be an unwanted "thing" growing in her body, or the potential child that she wants but can't have, it is a highly emotional experience for most women.

And then there is the question of who to tell, and who not to tell.  The fear of being judged.  The decision of who to bring with you to the procedure.  And finally, there are the "what ifs" that happen years later. 

As a young woman, fresh out of college, I thought that I was pregnant.  I was not ready to have a kid, but I talked about it with my boyfriend, and we decided I would have the baby.  It turned out that I was not pregnant.  But even now, I count the years of how old that child would be, and ponder how different my life would have been if I had become a mother so young.  And when I think back, 99% of me is so relieved that I have had the life that I have had.  And 1% of me is wistful.  Many (most?) women who have abortions count on their fingers too.  The child would be 7 now.  17 now.  Can you imagine, me, with a child that age?

And then there is the aftermath.  If a young woman has an abortion, and then years later, tries to become pregnant and miscarries, she will probably fear/wonder whether the earlier abortion has impacted on her ability to carry a child to term.  Or if she gives birth to a preemie after a previous abortion, she might blame herself for the pain that her newborn is going through. 

Perhaps, for some women, the decision to have an abortion is not a big deal.   But not for anyone I know.   

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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2013, 05:07:53 PM »
The abortion debate is one that seems to be getting louder and louder in today's society... This is my take... Abortion is wrong, in all cases except if it is endangering the life of the mother. From a religious or secular view I believe that the very Idea that this is still something we debate is rather sick. Am embryo, a fetus is not just a living thing, it is the embodiment of human potential. From the moment it is created it has the potential to be a great person. To think, to create, to love, to be loved. It has the potential to change the world, and taking that away is just sick and frankly a crime against the species as a whole. A human being is the most powerful thing in the known universe and cutting it off before it gets a chance is just not right. Please tell me I am wrong.

You can extend that argument to all human life, from the embryonic to the very old.

Here is my non-religious take on abortion. It is the birthright (apologies) of the human species:

-that something unseen less real than something seen;
-that something smaller is not worth as much as something that is bigger;
-that the ability to communicate makes someone human, and without that ability humanity is in doubt

Those are part of the elements of being human that make abortion more acceptable than infanticide. Also, from the standpoint of pregnancy/childbirth itself:

-childbirth is still dangerous
-enforcing pregnancy reduces women to the role of incubators

And is the big one from modern cultures:
 
Maintaining the survival of the fetus at all costs essentially means controlling the bodies of two living things when the one hosting the other is fully capable of  making decisions about its own body and all that is in it.

And that's pretty much it. Note that I haven't provided my opinion on whether I think abortion is wrong, although you may infer what you will from my opinions about why abortion is not looked on as murder by many. Note that I haven't touch on the whole argument about resources and the poor, because it is pretty much accepted that, unless under extreme circumstances, killing an infant child is horrible, yet terminating a pregnancy is less bad.

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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2013, 06:22:19 PM »
.. And finally, there are the "what ifs" that happen years later. 

As a young woman, fresh out of college, I thought that I was pregnant.  I was not ready to have a kid, but I talked about it with my boyfriend, and we decided I would have the baby.  It turned out that I was not pregnant.  But even now, I count the years of how old that child would be, and ponder how different my life would have been if I had become a mother so young.  And when I think back, 99% of me is so relieved that I have had the life that I have had.  And 1% of me is wistful.  Many (most?) women who have abortions count on their fingers too.  The child would be 7 now.  17 now.  Can you imagine, me, with a child that age?
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Perhaps, for some women, the decision to have an abortion is not a big deal.   But not for anyone I know.

Yes, perhaps that's true in this day and age, but with greater education comes greater solace in making a correct choice.

Because you can live in only one reality, you can't get a good idea of the ramifications of previous choices.  But a well studied individual can know that any other previous choice would preclude all of the following choices. If you had been pregnant and had carried the baby, your entire life would have been different. You may have died in labor, you may have had a defective baby, but what is more likely, the children that you have now, wouldn't have been the same children you could have had then. Even if they looked alike with the same birthday, they would have had a vastly different mother and household and would not be the children you see today.

Would you exchange your current child for the previously possible child? In most instances that is what you would be doing. Women are pretty good today in stopping to have children and limiting the overall number of children they have. So basically any child birthed today is one less than you would have tomorrow.

In a similar light, do you sit back and pine away for the "what if's" of choosing a different husband?

Some do perhaps, but friends will generally consul them to forget that and look only at the commitment you have. The idea of bemoaning a previous lover is looked down on today and pushes against social mores. Hopefully someday women will see that choosing when to progenate is a choice that is taken soberly and with planing and not a luck of the draw, oopsie kind of choice.
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Re: Why abortion is Wrong...
« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2013, 08:55:48 AM »

Abortion is an invasive medical procedure.  It is nasty. 

Only if the choice is in-clinic abortion, I would think?  Using the pill or the shot to prevent continued pregnancy seems like a much easier choice (although it has time limits).  I have read about the emotional toll on women who choose the pill, and I'm sure it's no joy ride.  I would hope that advances such as the pill make it far less intrusive and nasty.