FW: From D - just being stupid - I want to send this to C [#2683]

[Ivellios]

One of my co-workers mother died. She was called from the hospital and told that her mother wouldn't make the night and to leave right away. After driving for hours. She was within sight of the hospital when she recieved the horrible phone call, that her mother passed away just minutes before. To this day she wonders why god took her away then instead of waiting just five more minutes.

I told her that it makes perfect sense if you take god out of the picture. She chose to believe in god anyway, so that brings up the other possibility. God truly hates this christian woman and just to spite her and cause her grief, god took her mom just 5 minutes before they could say good bye, face to face. After all, what else says, "I love you," from such a perfect, All-Loving God than that?

[jetson]

Ivellios - I can't believe you forgot that it was all a part of the grand plan!   

[Ivellios]

ooh, a spammer.

[Hatter23]

Don't they know spam makes baby Jesus cry, he prefers sucking milk from Mary Christ's boobies.

[none]

I sent an email to dadamsjr
let me know if it was toxic or if it was the voice of reason speaking will you fellow wwgha forum members? ( I need a reality check )

subject: member from wwgha dot com, follow up inquiry
I read your story at wwgha.com and I commented on your intent for contact
through this email address, but this has no relationship to the intent of this
email directly or indirectly.
I don't know how to preface what I am about to write, but I hope you have
enough trust to give me the benefit that I am not being malicous.
I learned through reading what you wrote at wwgha.com that your wife had a
stroke and this troubles you deeply.
I cannot say that I know what you are feeling because I don't, but I do care
enough about you and your wife to write this email.
I don't need to know if your wife's condition has worsened to understand the
sorrow that you that you expressed at the wwgha forum or the sorrow you maybe
feeling now is a real part of your life and existence, but I can say I too
felt sorrow because of your wife's condition being as it was and the impact it
had on you both during and after I read what you wrote.
There are obviously insensitive members of wwhga that have written insensitive
things in that particular thread that you posted in, some of which I disregard
altogether to the parts of my recolection so that I cannot recall them, but
this these issuses are not the intent of my email or me seeking to contact
you.
The intent of this email is to ask you how you are doing.
I know that you are under no obligation to reply to anything I have said and I
can understand your reluctance to reply to this unexpected email from me.
I apologize if I offended you by writing what I wrote because I realize that
it wasn't exactly the most diplomatic or reasonable way to communicate my
intentions of asking you to stay at the wwgha forum, but I have reconsidered
what I wrote and welcome you to reconsider what I posted and what others have
posted that is not obviously toxic or even slightly toxic to you that
addressed your situtation regarding your commitment to your wife and her
condition.
Instead of trying to further discuss irrelevent and/or hurtful things I will
ask you now how are you doing, how is your wife and her well being, is she
being taken care of, are you being taken care of, are you both as healthy as
can be expected at this point given the hardship you have faced?
I know that I have written alot for you to consider, but I hope, wish, and
request that you and you wife both do better in the future as there is no
alternative for me or you given the fact that I have considered your wife and
yourself human beings worthy of attention.
I know that my request and pleading may have sounded empty and futile, but I
honestly believe that you can over come this hardship and your wife can endure
the pain, agony, and reality that is her condition as you have described.
If you want to connect with me on an intellectual level or emotional level I
request that you reply to this email and if you do not I understand that you
do not have the desire to do so.
I will finish this email with something that has brought some stability to my
thinking which ultimately is the motive for remebering you and contacting you
and remebering your words along with your wife and her condition that you
mentioned.
I never forgot your story, or you, or your wife, but I have changed my ways
and felt it neccessary to contact you.
Again I need to preface a portion of this email, so I will say that these
definitions and truths as I see them are the motive for my contact with you
and I hope that you consider them carefully because to disregard or cast aside
what I am about to write may hurt you or myself in the future or now.
I realise that we all have a history and a path that we intend to follow and
sometimes things just don't work out the way we think they should given what
we experience in our youth and childhood.
About me, I am an old man with a heavy heart that finds solace in being able
to share my thougths with others who may be suffering in thier own way that is
different than mine who can possibly overcome their sorrow and pain to realise
that things are just the way they are for a damn good reason.
This is not a confrontational email, and it is not intented to be
confontational so please consider the following words as a basis for
understanding that might lead to understanding that we are all human beings
worthy of intent and respect.
A being that is human is nothing more and nothing less than a being that has
DNA that is different than any other animal species' DNA.
A human being is nothing more and nothing less than an animal whose root is a
zygote or zygotes which develops into an embryo that is gestated and survives
birth.
A person is a human being that is a subject of rights and duties as defined by
law.
I know that these truths and definitions are very clinical but so is life, but
without the clinical aspect of life the universe would be sterile, and I
realise that nobody wants a sterile universe, do they?
I thank you for your time, and please understand that somebody cares even if
you do or don't, regardless any belief that you have that may interfere with
what I have written or not written.
If you need any help with the meaning of any word, sentence, or thought in
this email feel free to contact me as I think it would lead to a wonderful
friendship that could quite possibly be temporary in length, but I also
realise that a temporary friendship would at least be meaningful to one of us
if not both, would it not?
Have an enjoyable life, or try to have an enjoyable life until you contact me,
beacuse I am rooting for you to do the right thing and be a man, a human
being, a fighter, a lover, a monster, an animal, that loves his wife and takes
care of himself and his wife to his fullest regardless what others think, say,
or do, beacuse when you contact me I will be as sterile and venomous as I
possibly can be to express to you that you do not need a god that is prayed to
or respected as a human being or person to resolve the humanity that you feel
towards your wife and others.
so you do it and have a nice day, lest you be a machine!
[name].)

[none]

well I got a typical "I believe in god with baggage" reply.

[none]

I followed up the "I believe in god reply with baggage" with this email....
who know if it does any good? who really cares?

subject: member from wwgha, follow up inquiry
  The God that you appear to be describing is the God of the bible, and I will
assume for the duration of this particular response within this email that you
indeed believe that the God of the bible is nothing more and nothing less than
what is presented in the bible and you believe that God exists as described by
the bible.
  God belief as I have describe is based on faith, not logic, not
rationalization, and not reason or reasoning; Instead of using logic,
rationalization, or reason to believe in God theists use faith to belive in God.
  What I am about to say you may have or may not have already heard or read
before from a different source, but I think it is prudent that I address this
portion of your email most effectively by approaching it rationally, reasonably,
and lgocially so that you better understand the reality of God as presented by
the bible and the seriousness of your belief in that by maintaining your belief
you have either dehumanized yourself, dehumanized everyone who is not you, or
dehumanized everyone who is not God and you do not realize it, acknowledge it,
or find it dangerous and toxic to society and every human being that exists; I
did not say that you absolutely know or that I absolutely know you are toxic to
all human beings I said that your belief in God is dehumanizaing and that
dehumanization is toxic to either every human being or every other human being
besides yourself.
  I know that saying your belief is dangerous and your dehumanizaing beliefs are
toxic to society must sound absurd because you believe differently than what is
true and real and you have the bible as foundation for your beliefs, but it is
true and if you continue to read you will know why and how it is true; Christian
beliefs being toxic is counter intuitive for a Christian but Christianity's
toxicity is completely true and fully known to others that examine Christianity
(a form of thiesm) objectively and all theists have this toxicity attached to
their beliefs whether they know it or not and this state of awareness does not
make any given person anything other than a human being because human beings are
known to be falible.
  The Christian belief system is falible just like any belief that human beings
can concieve of and so is the bible which is the foundation for your belief in
God being real and God being a being.
  Obviously you personalize God which is in accordance with the bible and I do
not doubt your belief, but this presents an obvious dilema, but in reality
there are an infinite number of dilemas; I will only conentrate on the
the most obvious dilema that I am fully aware of and able to express
conveniently for the purposes of this email which is to express to you that you
do not need a god that is prayed to or respected as a human being or person to
resolve the humanity that you feel towards your wife and others.
  The first dilema is that there is a common misunderstanding that Christians
who believe in the God of the bible have, and that misunderstanding is that
Christians have a monotheistic belief system; atheists, pantheists, and deists
believe that Christian theists believe in one God and this belief that Christian
theists have is not true and Christians theists are falible because they are
human beings and all human beings are falible just as all theists regardless of
religious identiy are falible.
  Unfortuneatly if a person considers what the bible describes as being true
about God it is evident that God is not represented by a single coherent concept
that unifies God in both the bible and the natural world ( reality ) that
satisfies the criteria Christian's are monotheistic and this is evident by the
attributing of personalized characteristics to a God that cannot be both a
natural He ( personalized ) and supernatural He ( personalized ) at the same
time because being both a supernatural person and natural person means that God
the natural person is not exactly the same as God the supernatural person just
as a person's body is not the same as a person's soul; Persons having a soul is
a principle of the bible and so is faith yet there is no coherent unity of God
into a singular being that is logical, rational, reasonable, or reasoned.
  A resolution to this problem is faith in God's omnipotence ( the ability to do
anything) but omnipotence is an imaginary proposition and cannot be true in the
real world ( reality ) and be anything except an idea that is restricted to the
imagination and false in the most real sense of the word false as detemined by
logic, rationalization, and reason which is used in the real world to determine
what is true and what is false in a most real sense of the word real in the real
world; God, as described by the bible, is able to exist fully in the imagination
because God has the ability to exist fully in the imagination but God at that
time of being fully in the imagination is not anywhere in the real world (
reality ) as a being, and alternately if God is able to exist fully in reality
God would not be in the imagination at all because God being real and God being
imagined at the same time is not logical, rational, or reasonable therefore
there is no logic, rationalization, or reason to the belief that God is
omnipotent there is only the faith that God is omnipotent that makes God's
omnipotence true and faith makes nothing absolutely true in the real world (
reality ) only logic, rationalization, and reason make something absolutely true
in the real world (reality) and as a result the bible describes a God that is
only possible with the imagination or faith.
  Please consider again the following terms, definitions, and ideas more
carefully without discarding them as illogical, irrational, and unreasonable
because to do so is to consider them with faulty logic, irrational thoughts, and
unreasonable reasons which is called using the imagination:
  A being that is human is nothing more and nothing less than a being that has
DNA that is different than any other animal species' DNA.
  A human being is nothing more and nothing less than an animal whose root is a
zygote or zygotes which develops into an embryo that is gestated and survives
birth.
  A person is a human being that is a subject of rights and duties as defined
by law.
  I will sumarize this email by saying this, if a human being willfully
personalizes god or anything other than a human being into a person or gives god
or anything that is not a human being personhood status then you are
dehumanizing human beings; either god is less than a human being and human
beings are persons and god is not a person, god is equivalent to human beings
and both god and human beings are persons which means human beings aren't real,
god is more a human being than a human being which is dehumanizing, or god is
not equivalent to human beings and human beings are persons and god is not a
person.
  If you have any questions about any word, sentence, or idea that I have
written I encourage you to either research online, contact me via this email
address, or return to the wwgha forum and peruse topics that are of interest to
you or post a question about anything; I suggest starting with logic and reason
it will lead you to the truth.
  I do hope that your wife's condition improves and you are able to spend many
more years together in happiness, however if her condition worsens I will be
supportive of any decision you make concerning your well being and her's, if she
remains in the current condition she is in now and it is too uncomfortable for
you to bear I will understand that you need to make a decision to take care of
your self and be supportive of her when you can, just as you are doing now.
 Goodbye for now and may you live a long and healthy life, you deserve to at
least have that honest goodbye because you are a human being that I chose to
care about and talk to.
  Once again, but in a different way I say to you life is clincal and being
sterile is the absence of life; Have a good life and I wish, hope, request that
you and your wife both do better in the future together or apart.
[name].

[Add Homonym]

He already went. If he has wented, then he doesn't want to unwent.

[none]

He already went. If he has wented, then he doesn't want to unwent.

i continued to taunt....