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Einstein letter disproves atheist claim
« on: October 15, 2012, 12:39:38 PM »
http://oregonfaithreport.com/2012/10/einstein-letter-disproves-atheist-claim/

Einstein letter disproves atheist claim
October 14, 2012
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Einstein was not an Atheist
By Living Waters Publications,
The faith of some of the more crusading fundamental atheists has no doubt been bolstered by a letter written by Einstein, in which he said, “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”[1]  It is being heralded by some as evidence for a denial of the existence of God, but according to best-selling author, Ray Comfort, “This letter is consistent with the beliefs Einstein held throughout his life. He had previously stated, ‘I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one.’”[2]
Comfort said, “He was angered by those who alleged that he was an atheist, saying, ‘In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.’[3] In his book, The God Delusion, atheist Richard Dawkins, does what angered Einstein, in saying that he was an atheist.[4]  When asked if he had a belief in God, Einstein replied, ‘I am not an atheist.’[5] He even said, ‘The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who — in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ — cannot hear the music of the spheres.’[6]  Despite this, fanatical atheists still claim him as one of their own. An undeterred Richard Dawkins says, ‘Along with various other sources, this letter finally confirms that Einstein was, in every realistic sense of the word, an atheist.’”[7]

Comfort co-authored a new book with an aerospace engineer, called, Made in Heaven that shows even more than the harmony in creation, of which Einstein spoke.  According to the author, it reveals (in detailed color) how science has shamelessly stolen from God’s creation, and yet has refused to give Him attribution.  Engineers and inventors have long examined God’s creation to understand and copy complex, proven mechanics of design in something known as Biomimicry™.  Much of this inspiration is increasingly drawn from amazing aspects of nature, including insects to plants to man in search of wisdom and insight. We are surrounded daily by scientific advancements that have become everyday items — from Velcro, to cat’s eyes lighting the night road, to barbed wire and many other “inventions,” simply because man is copying from God’s incredible creation, without acknowledging the Creator. One reviewer said of the book, “It is the most compelling visual presentation of the creation model I have seen…”

Comfort added, “I sent a signed copy along with a fruit basket to Richard Dawkins when he was recently at UCLA. I want him to know that I care about him despite his constant preaching of bogus science, lying about Einstein being an atheist, and poisoning our youth against the faith that tells them to love their enemies. He should be in England, trying to clean up his own back yard — where militant Islam’s aim is to politically take over his country.  But I guess speaking out publically about a violent religion takes courage, and it’s nowhere near as popular or as lucrative as his regular tours of the U.S.”

1 Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of God, being ‘chosen’
religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/04/einstein-letter-set-for-auction-shows-scientist-challenging-idea-of-god-being-chosen/?hpt=hp_c2

2 Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2

3 Prince Hubertus zu Löwenstein, Towards the Further Shore (Victor Gollancz, London, 1968), p. 156; quoted in Jammer, p. 97

4 Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion (London Transworld 2006), p.34

5 From G. S. Viereck’s, Glimpses of the Great, Einstein, in response to a question about whether or not he believed in God.

6 www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html#ixzz28b9PxWLC

7 richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2012/8/15/albert-einstein-s-historic-1954-god-letter-handwritten-shortly-before-his-death

Einstein states "I am not an atheist" in a time when being an atheist was somehow tantamount to be a communist. So he states: “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”

So you are arguing to claim a man who utterly mocks your belief as childish as one of your own, when he is avoiding a label that could have you draw attention from the Communist witch hunters. And you take as your lead, Ray Comfort, a liar.

Perhaps it is too subtle for me to understand but Einstein was what is called now a pantheist, which AFAIAC is stheism dressed up in sexy clothing so that no one will notice they don't have ID.

Bias much?

« Last Edit: October 15, 2012, 12:42:11 PM by Hatter23 »
An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.

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Re: Einstein letter disproves atheist claim
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 12:50:00 PM »
Do these people really think that Einstein could not have changed his views on religious belief and atheism as time passed?  Or is this just some kind of attempt at spin control, to delude the average Joe?
Worldviews:  Everyone has one, everyone believes them to be an accurate view of the world, and everyone ends up at least partially wrong.  However, some worldviews are stronger and well-supported, while others are so bizarre that they make no sense to anyone else.

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Re: Einstein letter disproves atheist claim
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 03:39:21 PM »
I read this yesterday, I was going to post it at ATT but I found 2 main things wrong with it:

1. It gets its source from Ray Comfort

and

2. Ray Comfort is mentioned multiple times as a reliable source

Also for the fact: it's highly speculative and poorly written.

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Re: Einstein letter disproves atheist claim
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 06:16:59 PM »

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...Made in Heaven that shows even more than the harmony in creation, of which Einstein spoke.  According to the author, it reveals (in detailed color) how science has shamelessly stolen from God’s creation, and yet has refused to give Him attribution. 

I like books that are in color.  They have so much more credibility. 

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Re: Einstein letter disproves atheist claim
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2012, 06:26:00 PM »
^don't forget the ones with pop-ups.

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