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America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« on: October 11, 2012, 07:38:04 AM »
http://standardspeaker.com/opinion/letters/americans-should-fight-atheist-hate-groups-1.1385122
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In 1963, a woman named Madalyn Murray O'Hair founded a non-profit group called American Atheists. In 1976, the year of the 200th birthday of the United States, a liberal feminist named Annie Laurie Gaylor, along with her mother, founded another non-profit group very similar to American Atheists called the Freedom From Religion Foundation, (FFRF).

Over time, the AA and the FFRF, under both O'Hair's and Gaylor's radical leaderships, began illegally interfering in schools and local and state governments of America trying to force them to remove anything religious on their property through threats of lawsuits. Both the AA and FFRF, today, are still pursuing these similar actions.

In their eyes, their "reason" for doing this is because these themes being portrayed on public property are a so-called violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which states: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." To the AA and FFRF, this phrase literally means separation of church and state, even though the words "Separation of Church and State" are nowhere found anywhere in the Constitution.

After all the threatening actions that have been done by the AA and the FFRF against schools and governments, there's only one way to best describe these two liberal atheist organizations: they are hate groups. If they weren't hate groups, they wouldn't be bashing or criticizing Americans just because they have religious backgrounds and trying to force their secular views on them or on schools or on governments.

Truth be known, the only reason the FFRF and AA want complete and total separation of church and state is because they hate religions and want them outlawed in the United States and the rest of the world.

And why do these two liberal groups hate religions so much? Well, in their own perspective, they claim that religions are responsible for all the wars and conflicts in world history. These include the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Salem witch hunts. While this is all true and indeed accurate, it is still ignorant of the liberal atheists to be putting the blame on religions for all the problems in America and in the world today. They need to understand that religions are absolutely nothing like they were thousands of years ago. Religious people, a very large majority of them, are peaceful, and even they condemn the old crusades, inquisition, and witch hunts. Bottom line: the majority of religions have changed virtuously.

To the point of all this, I believe that it's time for the American Atheists and the Freedom From Religion Foundation to stop their intolerant and prejudiced actions against religions and to leave innocent religious people alone. It's time for them to stop living in the dark past of the crusades and witch hunts and start moving on and living in the moment. It's time for them to stop forcing their secular atheistic views on schools, people, and the local, state and federal governments.

And most of all, it's time for the American people to start standing up for religious freedom and liberty and to start standing up against these two hateful liberal atheist groups and end their prejudices against religions once and for all.

God Bless America, always and forever.

Michael Puhak

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Michael,

Good letter that makes some good points.
progressive fanatics, including Democrat leaders, liberals, Socialists and communists and any other monikers that believe the same thing, falsely belileve the separation of chuch and state means religion must be banned from society. So, if there is separation of church and state, then aeitheists must also be banned because they want to be dominant in America and also are in violation of separation clause they made up.
But I would like to clarify a few points you touched on. First, the crusades did not cause all the wars and killing at that time. It was the Muslim hprdes who were attacking and killing innocent Christians and others for centuries. The Crusades was just a response to all the killings by radical Muslim Hprdes who hated the Catholic church at the time. It was about time the Crusade were started or today we would all be practicing Sharia Law.
Secondly, the Inquisition was not an offical church edit, like say no eating meat on fridays. It was mainly a response by state officials who wanted to investigate enemies of the Catholic Church. Of course many of those leader were Catholic since at that time all Christian were Catholic. This was a response to those Catholics and others who were apostacizing from Church teaching. Bit the point of the Inquisition was a response, albiet, by today's standards not the best way, to defend church teachings.
As far as the witch hunts, all it shows is that anything can happen when the truth is lost, and folkes react with emotion and not their brans and truth.
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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 07:56:34 AM »
Let me get this straight.  When they talk about freedom of religion they are talking about non-Christian religions also...right?


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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 08:11:28 AM »
Let me get this straight.  When they talk about freedom of religion they are talking about non-Christian religions also...right?

Don't bet on that for one second.  If there's one type of person in this country who suffers from Christian Privilege, it's people like the letter writer.
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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 09:21:22 AM »
There's few things more ridiculous than someone who isn't part of a particular group trying to attribute motives  to members of that group.

This is just a repeat of the "atheists hate God" fallacy, combined with a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment.  Unfortunately, both are very common.

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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 09:22:01 AM »
I don't understand why newspapers print any and all opinions.  I think they should at least be fact checked.  Otherwise they give platform to idiots and lunatics. 

According to the research I did, more than half of the prayer in school challengers were religious minorities, not atheists. A secular government guarantees freedom of religion.  You cannot have freedom of religion without it.
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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 09:45:06 AM »
I don't understand why newspapers print any and all opinions.  I think they should at least be fact checked.  Otherwise they give platform to idiots and lunatics. 

According to the research I did, more than half of the prayer in school challengers were religious minorities, not atheists. A secular government guarantees freedom of religion.  You cannot have freedom of religion without it.

I've said it before, these suckers would change their tune awfully quick if they weren't the majority religion. If the teacher led their children in some sort of Wiccan prayer, they would state that that is not what they meant by "freedom of religion, not freedom from religion"

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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2012, 12:09:19 PM »
I don't understand why newspapers print any and all opinions ... they give platform to idiots and lunatics. 

That's what makes them so entertaining  :)
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2012, 12:10:55 PM »
But it would be more entertaining to show how wrong they are.  At least, I think so.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2012, 01:06:20 PM »
What's wrong with that article? I mean, what is false or inaccurate?
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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2012, 01:20:02 PM »
What's wrong with that article? I mean, what is false or inaccurate?

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In 1963, a woman named Madalyn Murray O'Hair founded a non-profit group called American Atheists. In 1976, the year of the 200th birthday of the United States, a liberal feminist named Annie Laurie Gaylor, along with her mother, founded another non-profit group very similar to American Atheists called the Freedom From Religion Foundation, (FFRF).

Over time, the AA and the FFRF, under both O'Hair's and Gaylor's radical leaderships, began illegally interfering in schools and local and state governments of America trying to force them to remove anything religious on their property through threats of lawsuits. Both the AA and FFRF, today, are still pursuing these similar actions.

In their eyes, their "reason" for doing this is because these themes being portrayed on public property are a so-called violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which states: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." To the AA and FFRF, this phrase literally means separation of church and state, even though the words "Separation of Church and State" are nowhere found anywhere in the Constitution.

After all the threatening actions that have been done by the AA and the FFRF against schools and governments, there's only one way to best describe these two liberal atheist organizations: they are hate groups. If they weren't hate groups, they wouldn't be bashing or criticizing Americans just because they have religious backgrounds and trying to force their secular views on them or on schools or on governments.

Truth be known, the only reason the FFRF and AA want complete and total separation of church and state is because they hate religions and want them outlawed in the United States and the rest of the world.

And why do these two liberal groups hate religions so much? Well, in their own perspective, they claim that religions are responsible for all the wars and conflicts in world history. These include the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Salem witch hunts. While this is all true and indeed accurate, it is still ignorant of the liberal atheists to be putting the blame on religions for all the problems in America and in the world today. They need to understand that religions are absolutely nothing like they were thousands of years ago. Religious people, a very large majority of them, are peaceful, and even they condemn the old crusades, inquisition, and witch hunts. Bottom line: the majority of religions have changed virtuously.

To the point of all this, I believe that it's time for the American Atheists and the Freedom From Religion Foundation to stop their intolerant and prejudiced actions against religions and to leave innocent religious people alone. It's time for them to stop living in the dark past of the crusades and witch hunts and start moving on and living in the moment. It's time for them to stop forcing their secular atheistic views on schools, people, and the local, state and federal governments.And most of all, it's time for the American people to start standing up for religious freedom and liberty and to start standing up against these two hateful liberal atheist groups and end their prejudices against religions once and for all. God Bless America, always and forever.

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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2012, 01:21:57 PM »
Mr. Blackwell,

I posted this (hand typed it on a phone) at ATT.

For one the Spanish Inquisition, and the Salem witch trials didn't happen thousands of years ago. They are more recent, like up to 300 years ago (or more). So, that's inaccurate.

Second, the person in this implies that the atheists in those 2 groups (or atheists in general) aren't American.

Three, he states that they were committing "illegal activity" by challenging such issues in court (and, as others have pointed out: theists have made the most challenges to such things, and not atheists), which is a right given to us by the Constitution/Bill of Rights.

Four, he admits religion has caused a lot of damage "thousands of years ago" but, either is ignorant of the damages it has caused the past 200 years, or is ignoring such things. Even today, somewhere in the world religion is causing disruption and negativity.

Five, he speaks about "religion" but he's actually talking about Christianity, because everything he mentions in concern to "religion" is about Christian issues. Such as taking certain things out of government and schools, and the horrors from "thousands of years ago".

There's a lot wrong with what he's saying.

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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2012, 01:30:57 PM »

What's wrong with that article? I mean, what is false or inaccurate?

Quite.


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After all the threatening actions that have been done by the AA and the FFRF against schools and governments, there's only one way to best describe these two liberal atheist organizations: they are hate groups. If they weren't hate groups, they wouldn't be bashing or criticizing Americans just because they have religious backgrounds and trying to force their secular views on them or on schools or on governments.

Wrong. Demonstrably. They are not forcing secular views on anyone. They're merely trying to keep religious worship out of public places and institutions. As guaranteed by the Establishment clause.

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Truth be known, the only reason the FFRF and AA want complete and total separation of church and state is because they hate religions and want them outlawed in the United States and the rest of the world.

Doubtful they want them outlawed (how would one outlaw belief?), and the article provided no citation of proof.

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To the point of all this, I believe that it's time for the American Atheists and the Freedom From Religion Foundation to stop their intolerant and prejudiced actions against religions and to leave innocent religious people alone. It's time for them to stop living in the dark past of the crusades and witch hunts and start moving on and living in the moment. It's time for them to stop forcing their secular atheistic views on schools, people, and the local, state and federal governments.

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I can't take the time to go through it all. But, the short list is: women's rights, gay rights, WBC, bigotry and witch hunts are all current events driven by and large through religion. Not to mention complete disregard for the amendment that guarantees us freedom from religion.
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Re: America should fight against Atheist hate groups
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2012, 02:00:17 PM »
It's entertaining but scary at the same time because they have bleed over into politics so much and are trying to dictate how all of us should live.
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