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Free Speech vs Islamists
« on: September 29, 2012, 08:19:34 PM »
I saw today that some leaders of Muslim nations want the UN to make insults against their religion a crime throughout the world.

What do you think of this and what will be the eventual outcome?
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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 08:49:41 PM »

What do you think of this and what will be the eventual outcome?

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 09:02:49 PM »
I'd get a Jewish organization to file copyright claims on the Koran and forbid it from being published since the Koran steals heavily from the Pentateuch.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 09:34:10 PM »
Why should one religion be held sacred above all others?

If that shit passes I will personally start making porno's staring Muhammad. It'll be like a xxx version of the Passion of the Christ.

I am dead serious.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 09:52:02 PM »
I'd get a Jewish organization to file copyright claims on the Koran and forbid it from being published since the Koran steals heavily from the Pentateuch.

First time I have ever heard of the Pentateuch. Please explain further or point me in the right direction?
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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 09:59:34 PM »
First time I have ever heard of the Pentateuch. Please explain further or point me in the right direction?
The Pentateuch consists of the first five books of the old testament. The jews don't refer to the old testament as the "old " testament because they don't accept the new testament as cannon.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 10:05:26 PM »
Ah, so same as the Torah then?
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 10:17:39 PM »
Why should one religion be held sacred above all others?

Indeed, why should any religion be held sacred? None of them has any foundation in fact.

Muslims calling for the UN to make insults to Islam a crime globally is like astrologers calling for the UN to make insults to astrology a crime globally. It’s ludicrous. I’m hoping the UN doesn’t bow to their demands.

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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 10:37:41 PM »
Why should one religion be held sacred above all others?

If that shit passes I will personally start making porno's staring Muhammad. It'll be like a xxx version of the Passion of the Christ.

I am dead serious.


Not sure about a full on porno, but I would consider buying a koran just so I could rub my balls on it in protest.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2012, 11:27:32 PM »
Not sure about a full on porno, but I would consider buying a koran just so I could rub my balls on it in protest.

Shit, if it's gonna be that kind of party l'ma stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.

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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 12:11:39 AM »
Specialty toilet paper was something of a fad quite a few years ago. Reading the posts here made me think of a possible new one: the Koran written on a roll of toilet paper. And the book of Mormon. And the New Testament. And the Torah. And ... (you get the idea)
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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2012, 09:23:34 AM »
It's just disappointing that more Muslims don't come on here, so we can insult them. How can you insult Islam, if you can't find any adherents to insult? The cure to their problem is really just to insult them as maximally as possible.
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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2012, 09:52:56 AM »
Not sure about a full on porno, but I would consider buying a koran just so I could rub my balls on it in protest.

Shit, if it's gonna be that kind of party l'ma stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.

Okay, thats just hilarious!

And for the record I am not PRO offending people, however I am STAUNCHLY Pro-being allowed to offend people.
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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2012, 05:27:34 PM »
Muslims know that there is but one true religion. Well OK the catholics, protestants (especially southern baptists) , hassidic jews, budhists, and moonies are all equally certain of the inerrancy of their faith. Muslims seem to be particular sensitive about  anything counter to their belief system. It's like they all have terminal migraines or something.  Oh alright, they are not all as uptight as the militant Islamic types but the crazies more than make up for the rational ones..

As for the toilet  tissue issue, I like the idea but the really seriously fucked up muslims do not bother to use toilet paper. If they did it could be applied only by the left hand according to allahs command. For real, the right hand is not permitted for use in such an application. There is also a proscribed right and left hand  ritual for washing ones hands in case that event is ever contemplated. I'll suspect that kneeling for prayer behind other observant muslims could be a rather odoriferous event.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2012, 05:56:06 PM »
It's just disappointing that more Muslims don't come on here, so we can insult them. How can you insult Islam, if you can't find any adherents to insult?
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2012, 11:10:20 PM »
I see no reason to insult them.  I do think that we might do well to pay attention to them for the sake of our own defense. I Browsed some of the sites that Snozolla mentioned. Wow!  A lot of their commentary is scary and it is abundently clear that they do not like us.

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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2012, 12:53:38 AM »


I only just became vaguely aware of the latest insult to Isn'tlam after browsing the top site listed.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\10\01\story_1-10-2012_pg1_6
http://www.news.com.au/world/man-behind-anti-islam-arrested-for-parole-violation/story-fndir2ev-1226483127564

I like the way, in the last few seconds of the movie, the horses are galloping through sand dunes with car tracks on them, and then he stands in front of sand with tractor marks in it.

On the whole, it would be more productive to insult Muslims, than Mohammed.
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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2012, 02:27:58 AM »
 :o :o :o

WTF did I just watch??? And why did I watch it???

 :o :o :o
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2012, 03:14:06 AM »
:o :o :o

WTF did I just watch??? And why did I watch it???

 :o :o :o

A load of badly edited crap, and you watched it because:

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Pakistan experienced the worst of the violence over the film when nationwide rallies mobilised more than 45,000 earlier in September, many members of rightwing religious parties. At least 21 people were killed and 229 wounded, mainly in clashes with police.
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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2012, 03:27:45 AM »
What I find the most ironic is the fact that by far, the majority of those rioting, had not actually seen the film. Which makes me wonder, could someone start another riot by just saying they had seen something insulting?
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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2012, 03:51:55 AM »


I think this video explains a lot. Keep your eye on the subtitles, because they more hilarious than the movie, and could well start a riot in themselves if a deaf Muslim read them.
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2012, 05:50:44 AM »
Any law that restricts freedom of speech globally is a dead letter; the USA would almost certainly veto it, because it violates the First Amendment and thus restricts our sovereignty. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2012, 05:56:57 AM »
Oh, apparently, the subtitles I thought were part of the show, were youtube closed caption auto-translate.
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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2012, 05:57:49 AM »
Any law that restricts freedom of speech globally is a dead letter; the USA would almost certainly veto it, because it violates the First Amendment and thus restricts our sovereignty.

As a descendant of one of the signers of the declaration of Independence and a strong believer in real, "usable" freedom, I truly hope this will always be so.
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2012, 06:06:50 AM »
The young turks ragging on the movie promoter pisses me off.
What piss poor Americans! It doesn't mater one whit what the movie says or what kind of dick he is, it's never an excuse for violence. If the muslims weren't violent about this movie, we wouldn't have given it another thought. It would have remained obscure.

In the same way that we now say that how a woman dresses does not excuse rape, what someone says or shows to someone else is not the business of nor the concern of people's beliefs in a foreign land. If Libyans don't like what they see in America, then they shouldn't look at American internet feeds.  There is no excuse.

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2012, 10:13:42 AM »
This was in Yahoo news today:

CAIRO (AP) — The leader of al-Qaida has urged Muslims to wage holy war against the United States and Israel over a film that insulted Islam's Prophet Muhammad.
Ayman al-Zawahri praised as "honest and zealous" demonstrators who breached the U.S Embassy in Cairo and attackers who stormed the U.S. "embassy" in Benghazi in violence linked to the film. The American ambassador and three others died in the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in the Libyan city.
The amateur film "Innocence of Muslims" was made by an Egyptian-born American citizen.
In an audio message released by al-Qaida's media arm As-Sahab and posted on militant websites early Saturday, al-Zawahri claimed Washington allowed the film's production under the pretext of freedom of expression, "but this freedom did not prevent them from torturing Muslim prisoners."


Shows how much this idiot knows about his enemy - he thinks that "Washington" controls the production and issuance of films.

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Re: Free Speech vs Islamists
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2012, 11:07:12 AM »
^they used to.

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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2012, 03:13:51 PM »
I think we American atheists should protest their embassies because they have blasphemed against our god, the god of reason, science, and good sense.
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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2012, 03:54:36 PM »
I think we American atheists should protest their embassies because they have blasphemed against our god, the god of reason, science, and good sense.

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