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Dumber Than Dubya?
« on: September 28, 2012, 02:25:11 PM »
Does Mitt Romney fit that description?

It appears he is the world’s biggest flip flopper. Here are a few examples I recall from recent articles or news shows. (I am not going to go to in depth into Mitt’s (mis)adventures cause I think most here are aware.)

Attacked Obama for saying change doesn’t come from within Washing DC, when he himself used the identical phrase several years ago.

Several years ago he told a crowd that people going to the emergency room for treatment was the way things worked in the USA and that the rest of us were paying for it. Went on to say that is equivalent to socialism. Now he is against Obamacare, because his party says he should be, and Obamacare is equivalent to socialism. Oh yes, his defense for Obamacare is “Go To The ER!”

Now I’m reading (at the Huff) in polls Mitt is viewed less favorable than Dubya (43% to 46%). I am astounded that Mitt will get any votes with all the material out there regarding his position(s) on things.

Yes, I’ve been disappointed in Obama; and with the economy in the drink it should have been a slam dunk for a halfway savvy Republican to over throw him. But Mitt is not just struggling; he keeps tying rocks to his cement shows. I really hoping Obama makes him look even more foolish during the debates.
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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2012, 02:45:54 PM »
I trust the majority, I hope the vast majority, of USA will ignore Romney:

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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2012, 03:25:13 PM »
Does Mitt Romney fit that description?

I don't think so.  I think W was dumber than dirt, but semi-charismatic, in a mean-spirited, frat-boy, pretend-folksey kind of way. 

Mitt is about as likeable as lice.  No charisma at all.  Just nice hair.

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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2012, 03:43:09 PM »
During the 2004 election FOX News had program after program for weeks on how Kerry was a flip flopper.  They even had flip flops as visual aids.  Romney puts Kerry to shame on flip flopping but not a word from FOX on this .  Wonder why?

I don't think he is dumber than Bush II.  That would be pretty hard.  He must be a smart man to have made it in the business world and played the rich man's game to build wealth.  He just does not care about anyone but himself, his family, The Mormon Church, and creating wealth opportunities for the very rich.  I still don't understand why he wants to be president.  Must be an ego thing.  He already has more money than God.
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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2012, 03:54:27 PM »
Not even remotely. Unless Bush was really smart at faking dumb
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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2012, 04:10:28 PM »
The more I hear about Romney, the less I like, and the more likely I am to actively support the Obama campaign (more than just the moral support and occasional donations, I mean).  Putting Romney in charge of the federal government is a bit too much like putting a fox in charge of the henhouse.  We do not need a robber baron who's only interest is his own welfare as President.

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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2012, 05:18:14 PM »
So if he's not dumber than Dubya, he can only be a sociopath? 
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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 07:05:05 PM »
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Romney personifies economic parasitism. The financial sector has become a job-destroying, home-breaking, life-crushing machine, which impoverishes other people to enrich itself. The tighter its grip on politics, the more its representatives must tell the opposite story: of life-affirming enterprise, innovation and investment, of brave entrepreneurs making their fortunes out of nothing but grit and wit.

And good percentage of the population believes it!!!
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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2012, 07:50:16 PM »
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Romney personifies economic parasitism. The financial sector has become a job-destroying, home-breaking, life-crushing machine, which impoverishes other people to enrich itself.

That's certainly one way to look at it yes. Because it definitely has that effect. My question is, if that is truly the nature of the beast how is it that after over 100 years of stock market and banking follies, how is it that there are still families and lives left to crush?

It's not like there is a limitless supply of jobs and money for the corporate vultures to feed on. Using that description, the food supply should have already run out.

Without lives to crush and homes to destroy what does the financial sector have to feed off of?

Don't tell me it's because the Democrats swoop in just in the nick of time to help this hobbled middle class along. Cause I could just as easily say that all the Democrats really do is keep us all on life support so the financial vultures can keep feeding.

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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2012, 08:32:50 PM »
They both display different symptoms of “entitlement syndrome.”  Dubya had a smart dad, and came from a very ambitious waspy family.  Somehow dad managed to get him into Yale, and we all know he liked to joke about his bad grades.  He drifted from job to job in various family businesses, and didn't seem to show an aptitude towards anything.  So he decided to cash in on the family name, and go into politics.  And he rode on daddy’s coattails.  The thing about Bush is that he is so clueless, that I honestly don’t think the poor fellow has any idea of how limited he really is.  I don’t think he felt the least bit guilty about working 5-7 hour days as president.  I don’t think he was aware of the fact that his staff were running the country.  And if he was, I think he felt entitled to have other people do the serious work. 

Romney, I don’t completely get him.  But the moment that has stayed most vivid in my mind is when a vet asked him why he kept getting deferments from going to war in Vietnam.  Romney explained, without missing a beat, that he knew he had more important things to do in his life.  His entitlement feels different from the sort of attitude that Dubya had.  Dubya felt empathy for all sorts of people.  He just rarely found himself in the company of anyone who did not grow up in his style of privilege.  Romney feels calculating.  He has a goal, and he is working towards it ruthlessly.  He wanted to be governor, and he wants to be president, and he doesn't really seem to care about any platform.  He was governor of Massachusetts, for krayst sake.  Massachusetts is one of the most progressive states in the nation.  Now he is running on a reactionary platform, because that is that is what he had to do to get the nomination from his party.  I don’t think he cares about any of the issues.  He cares about himself, and power. 


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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2012, 07:50:32 AM »
That's certainly one way to look at it yes. Because it definitely has that effect. My question is, if that is truly the nature of the beast how is it that after over 100 years of stock market and banking follies, how is it that there are still families and lives left to crush?

It wasn't that way until the regulations that held them in check were removed under Reagan.  I suggest you see the documentary Inside Job.  It is about the financial crisis and why it happened.  In it a man speaks of an investment banker he knew who had to work two jobs to get by.  After the regulations were lifted, he became a millionaire in a year.  The banker thought it was because he was so smart. 

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Re: Dumber Than Dubya?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2012, 11:24:03 AM »
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Romney personifies economic parasitism. The financial sector has become a , housebreaking, figuration machine, which impoverishes other people to enrich itself.

That's certainly one way to look at it yes. Because it definitely has that effect. My question is, if that is truly the nature of the beast how is it that after over 100 years of stock market and banking follies, how is it that there are still families and lives left to crush?

It's not like there is a limitless supply of jobs and money for the corporate vultures to feed on. Using that description, the food supply should have already run out.

Without lives to crush and homes to destroy what does the financial sector have to feed off of?

Don't tell me it's because the Democrats swoop in just in the nick of time to help this hobbled middle class along. Cause I could just as easily say that all the Democrats really do is keep us all on life support so the financial vultures can keep feeding.

The system is self limiting. In other words, there are enough rules, laws and such in place to keep the families intact, yet allow for continued abuse. The 1% needs those families to keep struggling and they have set the rules for the cycle to remain in place. These rules allow the wealthy to continue to prosper while the folks on the middles and lower rungs must tread water constantly. Anytime the Democrats try to ease the burden on this cross section of the population the the right screams kicks hollers and lies to limit any real gain for the families. And I do believe the Democrats are part of the problem.

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