So ... you're saying that atheists expressing themselves divide and don't foster cooperation? This confuses me.
No, what I said was anyone who seeks to divide people, draw a line in the sand and box THEM neatly in a corner away from US.
Have you not had a disagreement about certain things with your friends or family? Are they still your friends and family? Chances are that even if you pose a dissenting opinion you do so in the spirit of trust of that friendship. You can work together to find a compromise for the sake of friendship.
However, if there is a separation between you and the person you are dissenting then it becomes a confrontation where both people dig their heals in for the war of ideas.
Lack of a belief in God can be a huge dividing line between atheists and their families. The Christian belief that atheists are evil baby eating lying backstabbing two faced monsters is one of the lines dividing an atheist from his/family.
When atheists hold up the WBC as the example all Christians should follow because of their unwavering dedication to scriptures and calling moderate Christians hypocrites for not killing fags only serves to confirm the bias that atheists are evil baby eating lying backstabbing two faced monsters.
Doubly so if you are using this line of logic on a stranger with no emotional investment in your opinion.
The primary concern for atheists SHOULD be to de-stigmatize what it means to be an atheist in the minds of the general public NOT de-converting Christians or forcing them to take down their xmas displays. It is only after they view you as a human that they will begin to listen to your arguments on morality.
i think the dissenting view is good for christians to hear.
Me too. Just not in the "here let me rub your nose in your own shit" kind of way.
They've had hegemony for far too long--and that's just the way they like it.
I added the emphasis to show the dividing line of thought. It's not "US" vs "THEM"
We are all in this TOGETHER.
Perhaps just one christian will read this thread (or one of many others on the board) and say, "y'know, he's right. This belief of mine doesn't make much sense when you look at it that way. Perhaps i need to think about it some more."
Perhaps, but this is a numbers game and you wont get many on your "side" using this technique. It is likely you will simply piss off and confirm for many more Christians their belief that atheists are just a bunch of pricks.
If the price for that is that it makes hardcore, dyed-in-the-wool moderate christians a little miffed, then i'm all for it.
One step forward, ten steps back...won't make it anywhere like that but ultimately, it's your choice.
I will say that trolling was never my intent with this thread. And i apologize if i'm missing your point.
When I mentioned trolling, that was a direct response to Turbo's comment...I did not mean for it to sound like I was lumping you or this thread into that category.