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Greetings from Germany
« on: September 01, 2012, 04:42:01 AM »
Hello everybody, I´m new here, found this page reading Sam Harris "Letter to a christian nation". I live in Germany, my parents came here in 1962 from Spain and I was brougth up roman-catholic. I stopped believing long time ago cause it didn´t make any sense to me anymore. Now we are facing huge problems with belief here in Germany, starting with the discussion about circumcision of baby boys and the growing influence of islam here. What makes me sick is that the moment you say something against jews or muslims here you´re instantly accused of being a nazi. WWII is still a big shadow hanging over everything, that´s our "original sin".
If 50 million people say a foolish thing it´s still a foolish thing (Bertrand Russel)

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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 08:19:16 AM »
Welcome. This is a small club. As the title says, it is a bit more focused on fundamentalist. They come and go. There are other forums that are more social.

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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 09:00:28 AM »
Welcome,

I have absolutely no problem was muslims or jews or christians or atheists or buddhists or whoever as long as everyone takes their beliefs in context to their own lives and understands they could be wrong.  Education is the thing.   The direction of our  evolved tribal views will probably be our undoing.  Sad.
 
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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 09:42:10 AM »
Hello and welcome!

Interesting you bring up circumcision, because I've been reading a lot about it lately. I'm delighted that Germany has banned it as the more I learn, the more concerned I am about it as a primitive and painful process that negatively impacts boys and men.

I hope you enjoy it here. :)
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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 10:20:49 AM »
Hello everybody, I´m new here, found this page reading Sam Harris "Letter to a christian nation". I live in Germany, my parents came here in 1962 from Spain and I was brougth up roman-catholic. I stopped believing long time ago cause it didn´t make any sense to me anymore. Now we are facing huge problems with belief here in Germany, starting with the discussion about circumcision of baby boys and the growing influence of islam here. What makes me sick is that the moment you say something against jews or muslims here you´re instantly accused of being a nazi. WWII is still a big shadow hanging over everything, that´s our "original sin".

Hello Shandi, welcome! You're among like-minded people. I thought Letter to a Christian Nation was a good read.
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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 11:38:21 AM »
Welcome to the forum.  Take a look around, and join in on the conversations, or start your own!

I lived in Germany for four years as a child of an American military family.  I lived near Frankfurt.

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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 12:26:01 PM »
Welcome Shandi!  Harris' book really is an excellent read.... I've recommended it to friends who were on the fence.  Short too.  It is a shame that Germany is still having to pay for the sins of the (grand)father.  I teach history here in the US, and it looms even here when ever Germany comes into the historical discussion.  I do my part to try to stop the preconceived notions.

In any case, welcome to the forums, I look forward to hearing more of your position.
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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 01:22:42 PM »
Welcome.  I think that you will find a lot of smart and interesting people here, and lots of lively discussion. 

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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 07:37:36 PM »
Welcome, Shandi.

What makes me sick is that the moment you say something against jews or muslims here you´re instantly accused of being a nazi. WWII is still a big shadow hanging over everything, that´s our "original sin".

That's a shame. And I've always wondered is this actually happens. I'm sorry it does. The best way to present yourself as being atheist and against religions beliefs is to present good arguments to show you're not a Nazi. The person running Germany did some bad things during WWII but in 2012  the shadow should be lifted by now.
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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2012, 04:38:23 PM »
Shandi,

My apologies for the late welcome! Better late than never? I hope you will come back and share more of your experiences with us.
Thank you for considering my point of view; however wrong it may be to you.

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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 02:50:45 PM »
Thanks everybody for the nice welcome! I´m having fun surfing the forum....
If 50 million people say a foolish thing it´s still a foolish thing (Bertrand Russel)

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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 03:05:44 PM »
Willkommen sie.  Wie gehts. 

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Re: Greetings from Germany
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2012, 12:26:51 PM »
Guten abend!

My German ain't that great, but good enough to get around. :) Welcome to the forums. I am sure you'll settle in just fine, we're friendly, but we can be a bit tough when it comes to in depth discussions and for most folk I recommend having thick skin, people tend to say what they really think, but appreciate honesty, which we don't always get from theists. I suspect with the elections drawing nearer and nearer the Americans here will be kissing out asses, because I hear word some are thinking of moving if Romney wins and they'll need a place to stay until it all blows over. :P So I think this is a good time to be a non-American new member.  ;D

Jokes aside. I'm a Brit, I used to live in Germany when I was a toddler (Munchengladback) and tend to head over to Germany for the Wacken Open Air music festival (North of Hamburg) and was there last month. I love the place - or at least the parts I've been.

I would say the rules are a good guide to discussion for around here. I hope you enjoy your stay and get something positive out of it. :)
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