Reply to Why does God massacre millions of children? [#2679]

[pianodwarf]

Demons in the Bible by [name removed]

Jesus knew and warned us about this demonic activity. Paul
intellectualized the kingdom of heaven and the demonic realm but did
not fully explain in my opinion the reality of the subtleties of the
demons and their power. I also feel that some of the characters in the
Hebrew Bible were possessed by demons as we read when we see certain
men like Solomon and King David fall to their desires (note: there is
an ancient writing about Solomon commanding demons to build his
temple). Murder, rape, drugs, licentious sexual activity are not human
traits but emotions brought on by demonic possession through a
corrupted blood. Humans think that they are simply doing these
activities because but interview after interview when asked why these
people do not really know or have an answer except a reference to
childhood abuse but that in itself should not cause someone to be so
destructive. We need to read and use the bible as a key to
understanding not only spirituality but also human pathology in terms
of possession liken to disease if you may. Think about one thing; why
was Moses told to kill babies, women and children? I think Moses was
also under a demonic influence mixed with the whispers from the Lord
in  certain instances. Moses was probably in such a state of confusion
and bewilderment because of the duality in the forces speaking to him
that he at times could not distinguish which force was speaking but I
believe that God in the end over powered the demons to avert their
plan temporarily. The Hebrews speak of a voice from God called the
(bat kol) in my previous post; Demons and the Bible there is a video
that spoke about Hitler hearing such a voice which he believed to be a
calling from God but I know it was not the voice of God but of a
demon. I also believe that the bible is written in such a way
(exposing the weaknesses of even the men of God) because God wants a
record of all things to be revealed to all people; evil and Holy.
Satan has infected our minds by making us feel that everything and
action in the bible is Holy when it is clearly not (Cain murdering
Able is not Holy) but merely a record of human activity under either
Gods power or Satans. We Christians have tuned the record (bible) into
a god not understanding its meaning and revelation fully. Jesus is the
only Son of God in the bible. The prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah and
Ezekiel are too screaming in the wilderness about what I am saying
here. Satan’s plan from the start was to take power, destroy Christ
and bring this world into slavery and destruction of which the latter
it seems like he is succeeding. Our only hope beside the hope in Jesus
for eternal life is that all human beings will understand this
activity and turn from the demons that inhabit this world. Again I
hearken to what the apostle Paul said: Our battle is not with flesh
and blood but principalities of a heavenly realm (do not let the word
heavenly throw you off for he was speaking of the first heaven which
is here on earth). I know  that many Christian will read this as
blasphemous but it is the truth. I have seen, read and heard too many
testimonies of these phenomena to pass it off as madness or human
folly. Murder, rape and drug addiction is not folly nor is it madness.
I am not saying everyone is demon possessed but that many people in
important places and of weaker minds or those trying to come to God
are under attack. If anyone understands what I am saying from an
intellectual standpoint please post your thoughts.

[on:bread:alone]

i really, really want to give this a square go but i have to leave for work, but i'm sure you'll have plenty to read before too long.

"a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury... signifying nothing."

[plethora]

So what your saying is that humans are not to blame for anything for they are being manipulated constantly two opposing factions of supernatural entities?

Wow. That would suck if it were true.

Obviously I do not believe that there is any truth in any of the supernatural claims the bible makes ... or the ones you make. There is simply no evidence to confirm them.

You are taking the bible (a collection of ancient books written by primitive, ignorant, fanatical tribesmen), assuming it is true and then putting your own spin on it. Give me one good reason I should believe anything written in that book. Go on ... gives us your best reason.

[Quesi]

Whispering demons, huh?

Well that makes sense. 

So I'm guessing that when your god committed near genocide and massacred Noah's contemporaries, there were demons whispering in His ear? 

Do demons whisper to the weather patterns?  Or do they cause the hurricanes while your god is distracted and answering little Susie's prayer to get a new bicycle?

And why is it that I, as an atheist, do not hear any demons whispering in my ear?   Why is it that Christians seem so much more susceptible to those whisperings than those of us who don't believe? 

[Zankuu]

Whispering demons! Ha! I couldn't think of a better way to avoid accountability for my own actions! "But officer, it wasn't my choice to rape that woman! It was the invisible little demon using his telepathic powers of persuasion to circumvent my conscience!"

Do you have any idea how delusional that sounds?

[Nick]

You are a complete nut, idiot, poor delusional excuse for a human being.   Oh, I think a demon made me say all that.

[kin hell]

Demons in the Bible by [name removed]

Jesus knew and warned us about this demonic activity.

I don't think it's right to tar the whole republican party with such a generalisation

Paul intellectualized the kingdom of heaven and the demonic realm but did
not fully explain in my opinion the reality of the subtleties

But subtitles are much better than voice dubbing. Of course, much can be lost in translation, but if the original story is comprehensively ridiculous, then all the re-writes in the world will still fail to convince.

of the
demons and their power.

Is that AC or DC. I was never sure who was the real representative of goodness and light, was it Tesla or Edison? I know who had the better PR team.

I also feel that some of the characters in the
Hebrew Bible were possessed

I know. God must've been possessed to have created evil and demons and such things in the firstplace.

by demons as we read when we see certain
men like Solomon and King David 

Although just reading about King Solomons mimes doesn't do them justice.
Did they even have large glass windows in those days? I know that has always been my favourite mime gag.
and King David? ...what a family man.

Murder, rape, drugs, licentious sexual activity are not human
traits but emotions brought on by demonic possession through a
corrupted blood.

Yes, I've never understood why god created these things.
And how could anyone think they were responsible for their own bad behaviour, what idiocy.

Humans think that they are simply doing these
activities because but interview after interview when asked why these
people do not really know or have an answer except a reference to
childhood abuse but that in itself should not cause someone to be so
destructive.

Yes, I agree, the christian indoctrination is a terrible childhood abuse, but it is not enough of an excuse for all the evil in the world. That responsibility is gods. He must want it, otherwise it could not exist.

We need to read and use the bible as a key to
understanding not only spirituality but also human pathology in terms
of possession liken to disease if you may

.
I agree. The bible has possessed too many. It is a plague. It must be purged.

Think about one thing;

yeah, that'd really help. Immediately destroy all those terrible dualistic quandaries. Good and evil could not exist together, therefore if we think about god, we can fool ourselves into believing god created everything, all good, and there is no such thing as evil.

why was Moses told to kill babies, women and children? I think Moses was
also under a demonic influence mixed with the whispers from the Lord
in  certain instances. Moses was probably in such a state of confusion
and bewilderment because of the duality in the forces speaking to him
that he at times could not distinguish which force was speaking but I
believe that God in the end over powered the demons to avert their
plan temporarily.

You know, this god really is weak, he "averted the plan temporarily" ...that is pathetic.
I don't know why he hides his real passions behind his demon creations, he should just own up to his nature, and just straight out order his minions like Moses to kill babies women and children. Then they'd be no wondering or ambiguity. I mean god did not create evil just to let others get all the fun. He used to be a real hands on sort of deity, of course he is there making sure his evil gets a good play.

The Hebrews speak of a voice from God called the (bat).

The best proponent of the bat ever was the legendary Sir Donald Bradman. Now that man was a god.

kol) in my previous post; Demons and the Bible there is a video
that spoke about Hitler hearing such a voice which he believed to be a
calling from God but I know it was not the voice of God but of a
demon.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. How do you know the video that spoke about Hilter was not the voice of god?

I also believe that the bible is written in such a way
(exposing the weaknesses of even the men of God) because God wants a
record of all things to be revealed to all people; evil and Holy.

So the bible is like a tardis? It'd have to be.
And this, "all people: evil and holy", .....if we are all made in god's image, then god must be Harvey Dent.

Satan has infected our minds by making us feel that everything and
action in the bible is Holy when it is clearly not (Cain murdering
Able is not Holy) but merely a record of human activity under either
Gods power or Satans.

It is very very dangerous to begin and end a sentence with Satan's name. You should, as someone knowledgeable about demons, know better.
It praises Satan by acknowledging him to be the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, and calls him into your presence.
If you suddenly start inserting crucifixes into your anus, seek an exorcist immediately (unless it is a normal practise of yours >I am not judgemental<)

We Christians

Who's this we kemosabe?
We christians sounds so jolly  ...Wheee!!!! Christians!!!!       ...............or short
or are you a believer in the pisschrist?
I haven't meant to take the piss outta you, I mean, who'd be as rude as that as to foist their particular beliefs (no matter how silly illogical and nasty) onto someone else univited?

have tuned the record (bible) into
a god not understanding its meaning and revelation fully.

And you'd expect the god who wrote it, would at least be able to understand it's meaning. Mere mortals, don't have a chance, and revelations? hah it's so bloody ambiguous the bloody tower of babel's output is like a monologue in comparison.

Jesus is the only Son of God in the bible.

Low sperm count I guess. Although given the sickeningly misogynistic setting I suppose god could've fathered any number of daughters and we've just never heard of them.

The prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah and
Ezekiel are too screaming in the wilderness about what I am saying
here.

Those beat poets were so cool. Great names too.

Satan’s plan from the start was to take power,

Really really really dumb, just how does one steal power from an omnipotent omniscient entity? It makes no sense, unless he is a minion of god's, playing a part that god ordered him to play.

destroy Christ

a bit harsh, but he was a bit whiny truthfully, plus I never really understood how he floated off to heaven just like a balloon with all those punctures.

and bring this world into slavery and destruction of which the latter
it seems like he is succeeding.

What are you complaining about, are we not supposed to meekly await this inheritance?

Our only hope beside the hope in Jesus

Is Obi Wan

for eternal life is that all human beings will understand this
activity and turn from the demons that inhabit this world.

But the bible tells us we are to love and honour our parents.

Again I hearken to what the apostle Paul said:

Don't trust that demon!
Jesus warned against his like in John 5:30-31
30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
31 "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.

and Paul that egoistic demon bragged in Gal 1:12
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of JC.

Our battle is not with flesh

Bender does not agree

and blood but principalities of a heavenly realm (do not let the word
heavenly throw you off for he was speaking of the first heaven which
is here on earth).

I hearken. The meek shall inherit the earth (this heavenly realm). Those who choose cremation miss out. Those buried at sea are adrift. 

I know that many Christian will read this

wrong adjective for this site
 

as blasphemous but it is the truth.

and I can't believe you did it all in mime.

I have seen, read and heard too many
testimonies of these phenomena to pass it off as madness or human
folly.

You should give up NSFW www.bestgore.com (although it is an excellent representation of god swill), perhaps www.thatcutesite.com is more your style.

Murder, rape and drug addiction is not folly nor is it madness.

no, it is ordained by god

I am not saying everyone is demon possessed but that many people in
important places and of weaker minds or those trying to come to God are under attack.

sounds like they are all the same people     ...believers

If anyone understands what I am saying from an
intellectual standpoint please post your thoughts.

I do understand what you are saying from an intellectual viewpoint, and you are a fucking idiot theist posting this demon possessed stomach bile in an atheist forum.

[Aaron123]

I can't even read that wall of text.

Paragraphs and punctuations are your friends...

[Quesi]

I can't even read that wall of text.

Paragraphs and punctuations are your friends...

No need to plow through the wall of text.  Kin Hell broke it down nicely.  And provided an appropriate and relevant response to each of the issues raised.

[Astreja]

Demons in the Bible by [name removed]

Murder, rape, drugs, licentious sexual activity are not human
traits but emotions brought on by demonic possession through a
corrupted blood...

So your god can't deal with these supernatural blighters, then?  I think you should give him 2 weeks' severance pay and hire a new god.  Would you like My resumé?

Or perhaps a referral to a good secular psychological counsellor to deal with your obsession with "murder, rape, drugs, licentious sexual activity"?

[Nam]

Jesus knew and warned us about this demonic activity.

Evidence?

Paul intellectualized the kingdom of heaven and the demonic realm but did
not fully explain in my opinion the reality of the subtleties of the
demons and their power.

To your satisfaction, or in general?

I also feel that some of the characters in the Hebrew Bible were possessed by demons as we read when we see certain men like Solomon and King David fall to their desires

How is it explained then about Biblegod being jealous, wrathful, angry, etc., these are the same traits that these men showed; godly traits. How is that demonic possession?

(note: there is an ancient writing about Solomon commanding demons to build his
temple).

Evidence?

Murder, rape, drugs, licentious sexual activity are not human traits but emotions brought on by demonic possession through a corrupted blood.

Evidence? And, demons grow drugs in earth's fields?

Humans think that they are simply doing these
activities because but interview after interview when asked why these people do not really know or have an answer except a reference to childhood abuse but that in itself should not cause someone to be so destructive.

Evidence of these interviews? And, why can't abuse be a main source of continued abuse?

We need to read and use the bible as a key to
understanding not only spirituality but also human pathology in terms of possession liken to disease if you may.

Any other evidence but the Bible as a source for your conclusions?

Think about one thing; why was Moses told to kill babies, women and children? I think Moses was
also under a demonic influence mixed with the whispers from the Lord in certain instances. Moses was probably in such a state of confusion and bewilderment because of the duality in the forces speaking to him that he at times could not distinguish which force was speaking but I believe that God in the end over powered the demons to avert their
plan temporarily.

"I believe" -- that's the phrase you have to hold onto. You believe it has to be that way, and not the way that it says in the Bible 'cause that would show Biblegod in an unfavorable light. So, Moses had to be possessed by demons, in your mind, there's no other explanation. But what you believe matters not to what the Bible says.

The Hebrews speak of a voice from God called the (bat kol) in my previous post; Demons and the Bible there is a video that spoke about Hitler hearing such a voice which he believed to be a calling from God but I know it was not the voice of God but of a
demon.

Unless you provide evidence, which you have yet to do, your assertions mean nothing.

I also believe that the bible is written in such a way (exposing the weaknesses of even the men of God) because God wants a record of all things to be revealed to all people; evil and Holy.

What youbelieve to be true, without substantiated evidence, means nothing.

Satan has infected our minds by making us feel that everything and action in the bible is Holy when it is clearly not (Cain murdering Able is not Holy) but merely a record of human activity under either
Gods power or Satans. We Christians have tuned the record (bible) into a god not understanding its meaning and revelation fully. Jesus is the
only Son of God in the bible. The prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel are too screaming in the wilderness about what I am saying here.

Do you believe we're Christians. That's what I got from this. And, I never met a Christian who thought every single thing mentioned in the Bible was "holy". Just the "word of god", which isnot the same thing.

Satan’s plan from the start was to take power, destroy Christ and bring this world into slavery and destruction of which the latter it seems like he is succeeding.

Ever think happy thoughts?

Our only hope beside the hope in Jesus
for eternal life is that all human beings will understand this activity and turn from the demons that inhabit this world.

Evidence that demons exist?
 

Again I hearken to what the apostle Paul said: Our battle is not with flesh and blood but principalities of a heavenly realm (do not let the word heavenly throw you off for he was speaking of the first heaven which is here on earth). I know  that many Christian will read this as blasphemous but it is the truth. I have seen, read and heard too many testimonies of these phenomena to pass it off as madness or human
folly. Murder, rape and drug addiction is not folly nor is it madness. I am not saying everyone is demon possessed but that many people in
important places and of weaker minds or those trying to come to God are under attack. If anyone understands what I am saying from an intellectual standpoint please post your thoughts.

Intellectual? No.

-Nam

[shnozzola]

Murder, rape, drugs, licentious sexual activity are not human
traits but emotions brought on by demonic possession through a
corrupted blood.

Heck of a world view there.  Just slowly sit down and relax.  Take your finger slowly off the trigger, and let me get you a glass of fresh lemonade.  Tell me about these demons.  Do they drive cars?  How do we spot them?

[Nam]

^they are red, have horns, and smoke cigars.

-Nam

[oogabooga]

Question: If the demons are so powerful they can make people do just about whatever - why hell? Why eternal punishment if we can't be blamed for anything bad we do?

Another question: If god created everything and if there really was absolutely nothing before him, he also created those demons whose actions we're being punished for. Why were we set to fail from the very beginning?

But maybe god was so short-sighted he really did make space in heaven for just 144,000 virginal men. After humans took him seriously (as was demanded) and multiplied, his design flaw became glaringly obvious and he needed an excuse, therefore he created the means for everyone else to burn in hell, which doesn't seem to reach capacity. At least he created it that way. Because god created everything.

But he loves us so he gave his only son for us. Yeah, that makes so much sense.

[shnozzola]

^they are red, have horns, and smoke cigars.

-Nam

  Nice, made me laugh - are they mostly Cubans, then, in their perpetually repaired 57 chevys?