Your paragraphs don't sound very consistent here. Can you quote any scripture that describes the telepathic method that you converse with god? I just started a list of searching in the bible for god speaking to people audibly and I've already got quite a list several pages long. Do you have a longer list of god speaking to people telepathicly especially without without distinct words?
Brakeman, first of all, I need to "retract" a word from our discussion. I said it seems "silly to suggest" and that really isn't a very respectful way of speaking after reading back through my comments. When in such a hurry, and without any proofreading, it is easy for me to make errors and/or use a poor choice of words from time to time.
But, I'd like to address what I believe is an important thing here. You seem to be implying that God speaking to someone internally somehow implies that it would be without distinct words. Not so, at least not in my experience. The examples we see in scripture, I think are also contrary to that assumption/assessment. Starting in Genesis, we see Joseph given very distinct dreams relating to his future. We also see the Joseph is given the ability to interpret dreams. This is a common means by which God seems to speak to man as well, even from the early days of the old testament. God is explicitly choosing in these instances to speak in a "non-audible" manner prophetically. Daniel also interprets the dreams of Nebuchadnezzar. We see Daniel as well as his friends pray, no mention of an "audible" voice from God, and then that night God reveals it to him in a vision. In a few instances we see God's messenger (and angel) deliver a message as well, but again, very rare. In the prophets, we don't always see an audible conversation going on between man and God, but again powerful visions.
Surely we can agree that throughout the entirety of the Bible we see God speak audibly to a select few, usually a leader or prophet, and then that man would speak the words of God to the people. We don't see a biblical precedent for God just interacting with all of mankind in regular, audible communication. We just don't see that. But, we do have the "promise" of the Holy Spirit, which I briefly mentioned, but which I think brings much of my position into focus, and perhaps explains, from a Christian perspective, the answer to your original question. It is also the source of how I believe God speaks to most Christians.
When Jesus left, he spoke of the Holy Spirit, the comforter, being sent to dwell with and "in" us. For the sake of brevity, I will abstain at the moment from quoting too much scripture, but we have the following examples you can look up if you're interested:
- John 16:4-15
- Acts 8:29
- Acts 16:6-9
- Acts 10
- Acts 2
- Revelation 1:9-20
- Romans 8:12-20
The list goes on and on, but I wanted to give you a few selections that speak of the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Paul deals so much with the ministry and indwelling of the Holy Spirit, of being "filled" of the Holy Spirit, of Him dwelling inside us and ministering to us and leading us. Jesus speaks of this as well. If we accept that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, and dwells in us, and leads us, and intercedes for us, why would we be surprised that He speaks to us just as Romans says as "Spirit to our spirit?" Being "led" by the Spirit means we have a constant companion guiding us, leading us, speaking in and through us. When the Spirit of God dwells in us, we have fellowship with Him, and He with us. Rarely do we see the ministry of the Holy Spirit expressed or described as a necessarily "audible". But if you are truly a "spirit-filled" believer, then it seems reasonable to assume that the presence of God in your life is expressed and manifested in many different ways, just as it is in scripture.
But does God still speak audibly? My answer is, He still does. Although, I believe, just as with Paul, that it is a rare occurrence. Paul, for example, was not a Spirit-filled believer of Christ on the road to Damascus, in fact, he was persecuting the church. Could God have spoken to Paul in any way possible? Sure, if He really is God, then He can do anything. We see his companions here the voice too, so clearly this is some sort of audible encounter. But again, this isn't the Holy Spirit in Paul, this is clearly an encounter with Jesus, whom He is persecuting. Perhaps, when Jesus speaks to man, he prefers audibly...we just don't know
But when the Holy Spirit speaks, since He dwells in the believer, it makes sense that it is often in dreams, or visions, or direct communication, or ____? If God dwells inside a believer, intercedes for a believer, guides them, leads them into righteousness...why would something that is "inside" need to communicate from the "outside"? Does that make sense? Before the Holy Spirit was sent to the world, he didn't necessarily dwell in men. In the OT we see a few examples of him coming "upon" a man or prophet at specific points in time, but nowhere are we told this is common until the time comes when Jesus leaves the earth. So, to get back to your original question, is it entirely possible you didn't hear God speak to you because:
A) You were never filled with the Spirit?
B) You discounted his guidance as your own?
C) That you simply never learned to hear his voice because many Baptists don't teach about the Holy Spirit in depth?
Just a few questions to ponder... I know your answer is going to be that there is no Holy Spirit, but I still want you to understand the Biblical basis upon which I build some of the foundation for my theology that God speaks to us through the Spirit, and that the Spirit dwells in us as believers and that He, in turn, leads us and speaks to us, and intercedes for us.
But, we are assured that He speaks in many ways,
Who is the assurer? The writers of the bible that claimed that god spoke verbally to them, or the writers of the bible that god spoke telepathically to?
Yes, both. As well as the agreement of the Holy Spirit and his work in our lives confirming and giving us the confidence to believe that we are indeed experiencing God and hearing his voice.
When god spake audible to the entire tribes of Israel, that was several hundred thousand people at one time, why didn't god send his message just to their minds?
Yet most of the time, when delivering his message to Israel, we still see Him speak to Moses or to a prophet, not to Israel. But, to answer your question, the Israelites were not filled with the Holy Spirit, at least not to our knowledge, that came after, as discussed above. That's why Jesus, when speaking to his disciples, refers to his need to leave so the Holy Spirit can come and begin his appointed ministry. From that point on, we see believers being filled with the Spirit, just as Jesus described and promised, and what Paul preached to the churches. The Holy Spirit has a very specific and "personal" ministry.
I don't agree with you that the Telepathic method is historical mainstream. It doesn't seem to be as common as you claim in my readings of the bible.
I don't either, in the context of what I have described above. But then again, I don't believe God spoke to many at all during those early years of history...audible or not. The Holy Spirit is a gift to believers in Christ as we see in the New Testament AFTER Jesus leaves.
Excellent, has god ever spoken through you? If so what did god say?
Yes. We can discuss that later, but there is a lot here already to go over and chew on before we jump into more diverse discussion. Although, I'm sure it is of some interest to you given your interest in my belief that God does indeed speak to us.
All of this implies some sort of perceptible communication
Yes, communication, the transmission of a distinct idea via a medium. If god really wished to tell you what school to go to, say Bethany College, why didn't god tell this to you directly? I mean it would really be more impressive if you had never heard of Bethany College from any source and he told you to go there, that way you would be sure that someone supernatural had given you the message and not just a name that you heard and decided to fixate on. Why is it that Christian "conversations" with god never have truly new information in them? Well a few I've seen claim to have personalized new information, but those same people don't seem stable enough to be reliable.
I believe He did tell it to me directly. Why is it less impressive that a woman I don't know calls, and that turns out to be the catalyst that puts me on the trajectory for everything else that I believe God desired for my life? Is it not impressive that perhaps God spoke to and through her? I actually see it quite the opposite as you, I see it as a remarkable, and a very personal manner that God chooses to use us in others lives, and I believe that Darlene was as much an instrument of God as Him speaking to me directly. I realize we see things differently, but I'm looking at it from hindsight while you're looking at from sensationalism. I have grown to love the way God has used people, relationships, etc. to affect my life and vice versa. I don't know why God chooses the mechanisms He chooses, but I have grown to appreciate them when I've had the opportunity to experience them in my own life, or through the lives of others. And remember, it's not like this was the "trajectory" I was one. Without the influence of the Holy Spirit, I don't believe I would have ever ended up at Bethany anyway, even in spite of the call. It just didn't make sense to where "my" life was going, as much as it did His plan for my life.
And yes, as a side note, people by themselves are not stable enough to be reliable. We see that CONSTANTLY in the scripture, and I believe men do mess things up to this day all the time. Even with the Holy Spirit, we are still fallible and get things wrong from time to time. Usually for the same reasons men failed throughout history - pride, adding to what God asked, subtracting from what God asked, self-seeking, etc.
For instance, glance through this video on youtube,
Do you believe these men are telling the truth? Can you ask the holy spirit inside of you to give you knowledge whether the men in the video are honest christians or charlatans?
I haven't had a chance to review the video, but I can say that yes, often the Holy Spirit inside us does speak or give us knowledge and discernment. I think most Christians can resonate with what I am saying. I personally have had this happen, and I will share more with you as time allows and as we get done conversing about some of these other items. Just trying to keep this thread manageable. Even within the context of a single post, there can be multiple questions your asking me to address...