Your last paragraph of the comment I smited. First 3 lines. You adding me to the argument by Gnu, which is similar but not the same, is you lying about my defense by way of definition(s), by implying I am using, or may be using just a "medical definition" (i.e. mental suffering) and no other. Yet, if you go to the OP, I use a basic definition, while most others use medical definitions. If you even read my comments, I state I use the "basic" definition agreed upon the varying dictionaries I looked up the word. So to say I think it only has one definition is a lie when clearly I state more than one.
I said you seem
to think both words mean suffering from a mental disorder with no lesser meaning. It is my inference from your subsequent posts in this thread.
For example, here you seem comfortable associating being delusional with needing treatment and medication. You say being ignorant of reality isn’t delusional.
You think the vast majority of people in the world need treatment and medication? That, in itself, seems delusional. Most are religious because they were born into it: i.e. brainwashed. Being of said state-of-mind doesn't make them delusional, it makes them ignorant of reality based on said premise. Ignorance is not the same as delusional.
Here you say believing something without evidence or holding false hopes isn’t delusional, which tends to contradict your OP definition of delusional as holding a false belief.
Them believing in something that they can't show exists is not delusional, it's just false hopes, in my opinion.
Here you say fundamentalists could be said to be delusional, but those religious believers who are merely misinformed—in other words, they hold false beliefs—are not delusional.
Those people who follow their religions to the letter, such as fundamentalists, I would contend have delusional state-of-minds but as it has been proven on this website and others, the vast majority of those who follow a particular religion are "cherry pickers", orhaven't even read their holy books, and those people usually only cherry pick the "good" rather than the "bad" parts. I don't see those people as delusional. Misinformed, perhaps but not delusional.
Hatter23 said having a delusion doesn’t mean people are mentally ill.
“Just because a person has a delusion does not mean they are ill to a point of medication and treatment, no more than acne, being a skin infection, requires medication and treatment.”
Your response again associates delusion with mental disease.
Nonsense. Equating a skin disease to what is percieved a mental disease. You would have had a better convincing if you used a mental disease vs. What everyone considers to be equally a mental disease but then what disease equates to mass delusion?
Jdawg70 made a similar comment.
“Just because a person has a delusion does not mean they are ill to a point of medication and treatment, no more than depression, being another mental disorder, requires medication and treatment.”
You say that religion isn’t a mental disorder, which suggests that you think a delusion is a mental disorder and that’s why we shouldn’t be calling religious believers delusional.
Depression is a mental disorder, religion isn't.
Here you say denial is not delusion and go on to imply that having conversations with voices in your head would be delusional.
You're equating all, but your selected criteria, as being so, without any actual evidence, per person you're accusing of being "delusional". The average religious person, where I live in the southern US, doesn't act like that. They usually act like we're crazy or dismissive. That's denial, not delusion.
I hear voices. They don't tell me what to do, or have conversations with me. They are primarily what I feel are "echoes". Just yesterday I swear I heard someone call my name. I went to see, and nothing was there. I went back to what I was doing. I have even attempted to hear things with my ears with just thinking about a certain thing, and I heard something. Which is why I conclude they are "echoes".
Does that make me delusional? I'm hearing things? I must be. I mean, I don't think it's the devil or god or what not but how is that different from a person who does?
Your OP definition of delusional is holding a false belief. However, your subsequent posts state that being delusional isn’t
ignorance or false hopes or being misinformed or denial, which rather contradicts your OP definition. If delusional simply means holding a false belief then why do equate it to name-calling?
The tenor of your posts indicates that you think calling someone delusional is significantly more pejorative than saying they hold false beliefs. The content of your subsequent posts contradicts your OP definition of holding false beliefs and suggests that you associate delusional
with a mental disorder. My comment in that last post was mainly to Gnu Ordure, but you also appear to think that delusional means a mental disorder far more than simply holding a false belief.